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Tracie

Project too Large to burn onto DVD.

Post by Tracie »

Please help... this is doing my head in!

I have purchased Ulead Video Studio Version 9.

I have redone our wedding video and have it looking much better than the original version we paid for off a cowboy... now i would like to burn it to DVD. My problem is this...

I have shifted things around on my c drive to accomodate the HUGE 17 gig wedding video so i have enough available space. BUT the project says it is 8 Gig and the DVD is only 4.7 Gig. How do i make it fit?

Hitting the Fit and Burn button dosent work. and i cannot find anywhere on these posts any advise that applies to me. Am i the only dipstick that is having this problem???? :oops:

I have also rendered the whole project to see if that will help but no.. it doesnt. The file is simply too large. It is only 1hr and 51 mins though. Grrrrrr.

Any help would be appreciated... thanks.

Tracie.
leocat
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Fit & Burn

Post by leocat »

I'm having the same problem. I was able to burn a few DVD's that were bigger than 4.7 gig with the fit & burn feature. They were about 6 gig.

Then after I did a couple I started having problems, video studio gave me a message after trying for two hours that the file was too big.

Maybe I accidently changed one of the settings or something. I would appreciate any help on this also.
Tracie

Reduces to 6 gig... Still needs to be smaller.

Post by Tracie »

Ok so i got it down to about 6.8gig by creating a video file and using the pal mpeg2 option. i have read other threads here and that seemed to work for others...(i think).

So now i am tring the Fit and Burn option.

Hopefully going to work..... but i doubt it..

Will post the answer soon.

(glad to see im not the only one though... cheers!)
Tracie.
Tracie

Post by Tracie »

total progress after 45mins is 1%. Detailed progress is at 24%.

This is not lookiing too good, i think its going to flop.

Anyone have some help for us????

Thanks
Tracie.
rwindeyer

Post by rwindeyer »

Hi Tracie

Just a few comments and words of advice. Your project is eminently doable; you just need to understand a bit of the theory behind it all.

17 Gb sounds fairly reasonable for the original project file; I assume it is in avi format (GOOD!). Actualy I would expect it to be just a little more than that for a 1 hr 51 min production (like up to 22 GB). No matter.

What you need to do is work out how to get it onto a 4.7 Gb disk. Here we approach the subject of quality vs size.

If you have ever saved a single image (jpeg), you may well have been asked did you want it high, medium or low quality (especially if you have photoshop or similar program). The file size varies a lot, and sometimes you can't really tell the difference between a high quality jpeg and a low quality one.

In the world of video, your computer or DVD player has to "read" 25 or 29.97 jpegs per second. (let's ignore the intricacies of mpeg compression). So, high quality = big file size = less video on a disc = high data flow (BITRATE) required to read it. That's what the weird word BITRATE means - it's an indirect measure of the quality of the video.

So, starting with an avi file on your hard drive and converting it to mpeg for DVD:

A Bitrate of 8000 = best quality = about 1 hour per disc.
6000 = good quality = 1.5 hours per disc.
4000 = fair quality = 2 hours per disc.

You now have to make a choice. You can easily get the video on a disk by selecting a bitrate of around 4000; maybe 4500 if you use Dolby audio. Fit to disc should work; don't know why it isn't. The question is, would you? If it were me, and if the video is high quality stuff from a digital camera, I would split the project, and spread it over 2 discs to maintain the quality.

A final word: if you have produced a DVD-type file (mpeg) and VS is trying to re-encode it to crunch it down further, you risk losing quality. Do not re-render mpeg files - this is a lossy format, and the more you re-rrender the worse it will look. Keep to AVI until the final render, and pick the size (quality) you want.
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Post by chinito »

Hey, Tracie.
I'm not one of the super users that you will find here but this is what I do: "Burn" your DVD as a DVD folder on your hard drive by going to SHARE, CREATE DISK, Uncheck BURN TO DISK, Check CREATE DVD FOLDERS (don't bother putting a blank DVD in drive), "BURN" your project to your hard drive.

When it's done, exit out of VS. Use a freeware program called DVDShrink. Just do a Google search, you'll find it and don't let the small size (~ 1MB) of the program put you off. Click the OPEN FILES option in DVDShrink and then use the "BACKUP" button to save as an .ISO (disk image file). DVDShrink will automatically save your video to a size that will fit on to a 4.7GB DVD. Just use Roxio, Nero, etc to open & burn the ISO image to DVD disk.

Maybe not very elegant, but it's a simple solution that has always worked for me. Good luck!
Tom
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Post by Terry Stetler »

The bitrate of 4000 being listed as "fair" quality is only true if you're using the standard settings. 4000-5000 kbps encodes can be of quite high quality if you use the proper settings by selecting the Custom option when exporting a video file.

For the record: Many, if not most, commercial DVD's are encoded at 4000 - 5500 kbps and not the high bitrates and low quality settings defined in most editing software. Otherwise they couldn't fit all the extra content, outtakes, animated menu's, commentaries, multi-language subtitles etc. on even an 8.5 gb disc.

The difference is in the settings.

Most program defaults, Uleads included, are geared towards fast renders and therein lies the problem. High bitrate/medium quality renders are fast and look decent but large. Cutting the bitrate solves the size problem at the sacrifice of quality if nothing else is changed.

My suggstion:

Finish your edit then in Sharing opt to use the "Create Video File/Custom" settings (at the bottom). In the Custom dialog select MPEG as the filetype then click the Options button to get to the manual settings.

On the Compression page set the DVD preset appropriate to your video standard (NTSC or PAL), a quality of 85-90 (95-100 for sports), 2-pass encoding, VBR, a bitrate of 4000-4500 kbps (higher for sports etc.) and Dolby Digital audio w/a bitrate of 160-224 kbps. 160 is good for most purposes. 224 is better if a little music is in the project, but not for music videos. You get the idea....

Most of this should be obvious, but 2-pass might need some explaining. In 2-pass encoding the first pass is used to analyze the video better and noting custom settings to be used for each GOP (GOP = group of pictures, roughly equivalent to 1/2 second of video). The 2nd pass does the actual encoding using the customized GOP settings.

Encoding with these settings takes longer, but is worth it. Look at it as a way to justify that fast dual-core CPU you've been dreaming about :D
Last edited by Terry Stetler on Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:16 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Post by rguthrie »

Tracie,


Ah, one of my favorite topics, especially since I've been burning a lot of long length videos lately such as recorded TV shows.

Go to http://videocalc.abelhadigital.com/ and download this free (I like free) video bitrate calculator. I figured with 50 MB reserved for menus and 192Kbps Dobly Digital audio, you can use a bitrate of 5257kbps. Also take a look at, and read this "What MPEG bit-rate" at http://www.digitalfaq.com/dvdguides/cap ... pegbitrate. It explains nicely about bit-rates and show a bell curve to help explain quality.

BTW, I'll also add that this calculator says that for a video only 1 hr long (50MB reserved for menus, 192Kbps for audio) to use a bitrate of 9608kbps. Conventional widsom says that a most you should use 8500kbps unless there is a lot of fast motion, then kick it up to 9000kbps.

One more thing to check is, is your DVD burner capable of burning DVD-9 Double Layer DVDs? If so VS9, with the update, can burn to DVD-9. I love it! :-D

Hope this helps,
Ron
Tracie

Thank you

Post by Tracie »

Thank you thank you for ALL of your posts and advise.

It just goes to show that i still have Gigabytes of information still to learn about this stuff!!! :P

For those of you that have posted replies on how to make my project fit i have been sitting at my puter for the entire day since 7am trying to work in some of your suggestions.

Although still no luck.

Thank you Ron for your expert advise. Quality vs Size is the ultimate question! Sacrifice is going to come at a pay off thats for sure! I have burnt my first attempt by creating a video file, custom to your sttings Terry, as posted, and then burnt the project through DVD shrink as pointed out by you Tom. So all methods are getting a good work out.

The DVD shrink program was evidently already on our computer as my other half pointed out... :oops: So my first attempt was looking promising. Then after is was burnt i tested it out and YUK! No way. The DVD was faulty and froze after the first couple of minutes then all the way through. I worked out that it had to of been burn at a speed that was just way too fast(8x), so i tried burning another copy, (straight off the iso files from DVD shrink) at a slower speed. (4x) This was better quality for the first half of the DVD, no freezing, although the second half had the same faults. Freezing and becoming blocky.

So i am back to the start. At least a little bit wiser on a few topics....
This time i have split the DVD into Three stages and am going to Burn to DVD folders, then DVD shrink it and reburn at 2x. Hopefully this will be ok??? lol. Other than that - Ron your suggestion is next. Put the sucker on TWO DVD's. Dont really want to but this may be my only other option.

Alas - I thank you all for your help.
Tracie.
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Post by rguthrie »

Tracie,

I've been hearing about the wonders of DVD shrink, however, if you use the calculator to determine the bitrate then you shouldn't need to use DVD Shrink because your video will fit.

Perhaps the program, VideoCalc is not leaving enough room on the disk as it (says it) tries to squeeze out every last drop of a DVD. I just discovered this program and haven't thoroughly tested its results yet. And I'm sorry if it has caused you problems. However, using DVD Shrink to fit your material onto the DVD should have caught that.

It's good to leave a little overhead on the disk because the outside edge is said to be prone to manufacturing flaws. Read the following webpage "DVD Authoring Nightmares - and How to Avoid Them" at http://www.customflix.com/Special/Autho ... dBytes.jsp. It has some excellent information and a link at the bottom for an online bitrate calculator.

Yet another excellent calculator that I use is located at http://www.videohelp.com/calc.htm.

BTW, if you compare the two bitrate calculators results from the above links you'll quickly notice that they don't come out quite the same. The one at CustomFlix.com is slightly more conservative and perhaps for your project better to use.

Finally, I'd ask if you are using the Recommended Procedures at http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic. ... 13b157436b?

Hope this helps,
Ron G.

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I re-did my video

Post by leocat »

I tried re-recording my latest video. It was originally captured as an MPEG with the bitrate at 8000. It was a two hour and 14 minute movie at around 8 gigs.

Now I redid it as an AVI, saved the video file to an MPEG with a bitrate of 5000 with the compression at 70%. It saved all on one disk. The picture quality was so so but the funny thing is that the the audio is now out of synch like a badly overdubbed chinese martial arts movie from the 70's!

So, back to the drawing board for me!
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Post by rguthrie »

leocat ,

Did you render the MPEG into an AVI then into an MPEG? Or did you capture your video as an AVI?

Ron G.
Tracie

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Post by Tracie »

Thank you for all your wisdom! Yes your links were VERY informative and helped me a lot!

Thanks to you, i now have a new version of my Wedding DVD, one that has nicer text and music, effects etc. It worked!

Much appreciated! Thanks for your time and effort!

Tracie.
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