APS Filters

[Amalthia]

Does anyone know how to switch out the APS filters for another set?

Before I completely blame having too much content in my Production Library as the cause of MSpro8 taking 2 hours to load up.

[Devil]

I can't answer your question, but the APS files should take only a few seconds to load. Unfortunately, you have omitted to give your system details in your profile, as requested in the "Before you post thread" so I cannot see whether there is anything there that would cause your system to slow down.

[Amalthia]

I can't answer your question, but the APS files should take only a few seconds to load. Unfortunately, you have omitted to give your system details in your profile, as requested in the "Before you post thread" so I cannot see whether there is anything there that would cause your system to slow down.

Windows XP
Memory 1 gig
AMD Athlon 2600

64 bit processor....

[Devil]

You still haven't completed the details in your profile.

However, from these meagre details, you should download the APS files in a few seconds. If you don't, there must be something else causing the problem. Can you please give a rundown on your FULL hard disk/partition set up with space on each partition, DMA, virtual memory, version of MSP, what else you use on the computer etc.

[Amalthia]

You still haven't completed the details in your profile.

However, from these meagre details, you should download the APS files in a few seconds. If you don't, there must be something else causing the problem. Can you please give a rundown on your FULL hard disk/partition set up with space on each partition, DMA, virtual memory, version of MSP, what else you use on the computer etc.

Sorry I didn't realize the rest of that info could be so important. I have no clue what DMA is, virtual memory is XP default, not sure where to find that.

I am using MSP8.

I have 6 partitions and two harddisks. 30 gigs (Operating system), 60, 120, 100, 100, 79

None of this information I don't think has anything to do with the problem. the program loads fine until I add files. UVS9 had no troubles at all with loading even when I maxed out the amount of libraries it'll allow.

The amount of videos (scanned and split by scene) in the production library should not affect the program loading time. It's meant to store people's media files, audio, and everything else for long term use and multiple projects. They had to predict that a lot of media would get stored there.

If you want to recreate the problem create ten folders, take an episode of a TV show (45 minute show) add it to your production library, scan and split by scene, copy that into two or three other folders and see what happens. If it loads with zero problems after you do that then it's possibly something wrong with my computer. If it hangs up at APS filters and takes 10 to 20 minutes to load then there is something wrong with the program. I think it's just most people here aren't making music videos using tv episodes to pull clips from. So the problem may not have come out yet.

[Devil]

I haven't done as you suggest because I would NEVER think of doing so.

First point: why 10 folders?
Surely one folder per project is sufficient?

2) What format is your captured TV and what size is your file (before splitting)?

3) Why add it to your PL? Surely, if you wish to use that method, it should go into your Project tray???

4) Why then scan and split? Surely this is something you do before putting it in the PT????

Personally, I don't use PT, at all. I go straight to the folder where I have all my working files, but that is something relating to my MO and what's good for some is not for others.

I've just done a test. I took a video and split it by scene into 98 clips. I put these all into the same directory as the original video. I then loaded them all into the PT|Media Bin|Video. I took them onto the timeline and saved the project. I then exited MSP8. Firstly, I started MSP8 again and it loaded normally. Starting up the test project was a second or two. I exited again and re-started by double-clicking on the test.dvp file. This also started normally in a few seconds.

I then repeated the experiment in the PL with identical results. The APS files loaded in exactly 3.9 seconds (stopwatched).

I'm sorry, I can conclude only that you either have a system problem or you have a MO problem.

You did not answer my question re what else you have on your computer. I suspect that it is possibly overloaded with other things that are irrelevant to video work but can prevent it from working correctly. If you take my advice, I suggest you put in a second boot drive and, on that version of XP, you install ONLY that which is essential for your video work and, above all, NO Internet connection, NO firewall, NO anti-virus, NO anti-malware, NO scheduled applications. These are all anathema to video work, if you let them get out of hand.

[Amalthia]

I haven't done as you suggest because I would NEVER think of doing so.

First point: why 10 folders?
Surely one folder per project is sufficient?

2) What format is your captured TV and what size is your file (before splitting)?

3) Why add it to your PL? Surely, if you wish to use that method, it should go into your Project tray???

4) Why then scan and split? Surely this is something you do before putting it in the PT????
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1....I'm making music videos with the TV show Supernatural. Sure I could put all 10 episodes into one folder, split by scene and then try and find what I'm looking for but that's a lot of sorting through.

I find it easier to split the episodes into seperate libraries. My files are 350MB. I add my files to Production Library because I plan to make more than 1 music video and it takes 30 minutes to scan the file and split by scene, so you only want to do it once. I prefer the split by scene option because it allows me to browse the individual scenes more quickly than using the multi-trim during the episode. (i've tried both methods)

Scanning and splitting into your timeline leaves a big mess of stuff you have to delete and remove before you can start your video. Personally I like taking my clips from the library, triming, and then adding to my video timeline. So I can look at the scenes as they merge together with the music.

I think if you tried makinga music video with 10 large files that split into over 700 scenes you'd see the need for the libraries too.

My computer is not being overloaded in the memory department I checked. I have no problems at all using UVS9 I think there is something wrong with the MSPRO 8 program or my settings related to the program. I'm going to install it on my other computer and see waht happens.

[Devil]

Why don't you answer my questions? Getting info out of you is worse than drawing teeth. I asked you the format of your files and you have not answered. However, you have given me a clue, if a 30 min file is only 350 Mb. You are probably capturing in a very highly compressed format, such as DivX or even WMV. If it were in a normally compressed format, they would be a LOT larger. For example, a 30 min DV file would be about 6.5 Gb and a MJPEG one would be anything between about 5 and 30 Gb.

MSP tries to display in as full a format as possible, so I suggest what may be happening is that it is having hell's own job trying to rebuild the ridiculously tiny amount of information in your files into something useable and that will certainly take a long time. At least, that's my guess by reading between the lines. If this is so, then you are in deep trouble.

In any case, trying to edit such highly compressed video, which will not be very good quality to start with, will give you atrocious quality when you re-render.

Now for the practical stuff: forget DivX or other highly compressed formats. Capture in a format which is suitable for what you are trying to do. As you have never told us HOW you capture (another unanswered question), I can't advise you but I suggest you use a lossless or near-lossless codec running between 10 and 20 Gb/h in an AVI file. When you have finished your editing, you can then encode it into whatever format you like.

[Amalthia]

I'm sorry, I didn't realize I hadn't answered your question.

The files I'm using are downloaded from the internet. Mostly episodes of Supernatural and Stargate Atlantis. All are encoded with xvid. I only use video editing programs to make music videos.

I've tested these files in UVS9 and that program worked just fine when I open it. It's just MSPRO8 that loads the Production Library at startup.

And for music video purposes of just sharing with friends the quality is fine when I render with UVS9. I figured MediaStudio Pro would be better than UVS9. I can completely understand the library taking time to load after you open the program but loading it at the startup doesn't sound like a good design plan.

Why don't you answer my questions?


In any case, trying to edit such highly compressed video, which will not be very good quality to start with, will give you atrocious quality when you re-render.

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[Amalthia]

[quote="Devil"
Now for the practical stuff: forget DivX or other highly compressed formats. Capture in a format which is suitable for what you are trying to do. As you have never told us HOW you capture (another unanswered question), I can't advise you but I suggest you use a lossless or near-lossless codec running between 10 and 20 Gb/h in an AVI file. When you have finished your editing, you can then encode it into whatever format you like.[/quote]


If I ever capture I'll keep your info in mind. Normally when I rip my DVDs I use xvid because I want the highest compression I can get. But I think for video editing programs they like files that are in MPEG or DV format more.

I know I'm not making professional videos here but I really do enjoy making music vids and I'm getting the point where I'd like to learn how to use more advance features and this is a fun way to learn. It's just kind of frustrating that this program seems so perfect except for this one flaw. And I'm not the only person using video editing software to create music videos either. So it seems like something someone should have caught before the program was released.

Though the fact that it still does allow you to import video files encoded with xvid without having to use avisynth is a big plus. for now I'm going to stick with UVS9 and see if anyone else knows what's going on. I've loaded the program on another computer with similar settings to mine, but without the previous versions of MSPRO7.0 or UVS8, UVS9 or all the other editing programs I have installed on mine. I've been experimenting with all the Video Editing software trying to find the best one for my needs.

Anyway on the other computer that basically has nothing but a few games installed, same processor, still 1 gig of memory, same XP default settings....the program did exactly the same when I loaded files into it. So I don't think it's my computer settings anymore but a program setting that loads the production library at the start up.

thanks for trying to help. Sorry for all the miscommunication.

[Devil]

You may not be alone with music videos, but no one in their senses would try to edit is such a highly compressed format. MSP8, in the VC module, gives you what is necessary to rip unprotected DVDs and it is very good: use it and forget xvid: it is not for you as it is ONLY a distribution format.

[Amalthia]

You may not be alone with music videos, but no one in their senses would try to edit is such a highly compressed format. MSP8, in the VC module, gives you what is necessary to rip unprotected DVDs and it is very good: use it and forget xvid: it is not for you as it is ONLY a distribution format.

As a vidder the main problem is that a lot of the new episodes of the show are not out on DVD yet and I have found ways to vid with AVI xvid files with Adobe Premiere and UVS9....

However, I'm willing to rip a earlier episode off one of my DVDS and give it a test.

[Greg]

Normally when I rip my DVDs I use xvid because I want the highest compression I can get.

Why? When you capture you should look for the least compression, and only compress when ready to distribute. When capturing with high compression, unless your final product exactly matches your input, you are going to lose quality.

With regards the downloaded files, I would first clear out all the libraries, load the xvid to timeline, create a DV type 1, clear the timeline then load the DV to the library and split. Won't do the quality much good, but should certainly solve your loading problem.

Regards,
Greg

[Amalthia]

Normally when I rip my DVDs I use xvid because I want the highest compression I can get.

Why? When you capture you should look for the least compression, and only compress when ready to distribute. When capturing with high compression, unless your final product exactly matches your input, you are going to lose quality.

With regards the downloaded files, I would first clear out all the libraries, load the xvid to timeline, create a DV type 1, clear the timeline then load the DV to the library and split. Won't do the quality much good, but should certainly solve your loading problem.

Regards,
Greg

This still does not explain why UVS9 allows you to edit xvid files with zero problems but MSPro9 can't handle these files? You shouldn't have to convert your avi files to MPEGs in order to load them into the production library. Why is this program even loading the production library on startup? I appreciate the advice.

For now I'm going to continue using UVS9 because it works with the files I currently have.