Video Studio 8 Rendering Speed
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Video Studio 8 Rendering Speed
I have looked at all of the suggested readings and dowloaded the help video files. I have been using Nero 6.6 but just too complicated without any support or forums like this one. I was able to capture a video without editing and then burn to a cd with no problem. I then went back in and viewed up to the point where I wanted to start, stopped then burned to where I wanted to stop, etc thru 8 different start point. I added a title, transitions and one of the music files they had. When I previewed before I burned it was great. The total video would have been about 40 min long. I unselected the fast eject checkmark and when I started the burn it said may take a while. After 3 1/2 hours I the project was only 45% complete which is far to long. I could burn the same project with Nero in about 45 min total. I really like this program and have looked at all of the help menus and believe I did everything correct. I selected mpeg at the beginning and at the end selected DVD. Can anyone tell me what to look for. Does it take that long to burn. What should a typical burn be for about 40 min worth of video.
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rwindeyer
Video Studio 8 Rendering Speed
I don't u nderstand what you are saying. I didn't use the timeline. I basically captured, then dragged the 5 or 6 begininning of frames down to the storyboard, added transition, music , a title and then selected burn. Based on what you indicated it should have taken me about and hour and a half roughly. As I indicated 3 1/2 hours into the burn process I was only 46% complete. Any more details you can give me or point me to a link that would help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Charles
Thanks
Charles
Video Studio 8 Rendering Speed
It must be getting late and my eyes are playing tricks but I can't find a link to the reccomended procedures. Can you give me the link?
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rwindeyer
Copying from another post I made today:
Many members of this forum have found that if you burn a DVD from a project file (a vsp file, the bits and pieces in the timeline) that this is liable to lead to many problems.
Consider this: the vsp file is merely a series of jotted notations (we want the first half of this clip, the second half of that clip, with these transitions and those voiceovers etc etc - these all point to files or parts of files which are on the hard drive. When you Create a Video File you are asking the computer to go and collect the data from all the scattered sources and assemble it all in a straight line.
If you issue three directives at once (assemble the data, change it to mpeg format, and drop it onto a DVD while you go..) the computer can fall over.
It is generally recommended to ask the computer to do one thing at a time. First, make one contiguous video file from your project. (I go for ultra safety and keep to the same project properties - I deal in avi (DV) files, so that's what I make). Then load this new file into the burning module and make a DVD from it. Best of luck.
So in your case: Make a video file from your assembled pieces. Then use that file to burn a DVD. The second process should take 3 times the length of the video. Trying to do it all at once is probably what's screwing the system up.
Many members of this forum have found that if you burn a DVD from a project file (a vsp file, the bits and pieces in the timeline) that this is liable to lead to many problems.
Consider this: the vsp file is merely a series of jotted notations (we want the first half of this clip, the second half of that clip, with these transitions and those voiceovers etc etc - these all point to files or parts of files which are on the hard drive. When you Create a Video File you are asking the computer to go and collect the data from all the scattered sources and assemble it all in a straight line.
If you issue three directives at once (assemble the data, change it to mpeg format, and drop it onto a DVD while you go..) the computer can fall over.
It is generally recommended to ask the computer to do one thing at a time. First, make one contiguous video file from your project. (I go for ultra safety and keep to the same project properties - I deal in avi (DV) files, so that's what I make). Then load this new file into the burning module and make a DVD from it. Best of luck.
So in your case: Make a video file from your assembled pieces. Then use that file to burn a DVD. The second process should take 3 times the length of the video. Trying to do it all at once is probably what's screwing the system up.
Video Studio 8 Rendering
Thank, a very helpful tip
Video Studio 8 Rendering
I have a follup question from the link provided. It reccomends using AVI vs mpeg unless you have at least an 2.88GHz abd 1 gig of ram. I have 2.99 and 512. Based on that the reccomendation states I should start in DV1. It goes on to day if you have the min requirements that the burn will be faster. Does anybody know how much faster. If considerable I might upgrade my ram but it not that much I would stay with the DV as this is the only type thing I would need that much ram for. Thanks for all of your help.
Video Studio 8 Rendering Speed
One more question. In the link it says when using AVI and capturing analog use the following for a field.
"Lower Field First {if analog use "Upper Field First"}"
I am capturing from a Cannon MiniDV Optura 40 which is a digital camera. Should I then use a different field and if so which one and what about any other fields. Sorry, but this my last question then I am going to try again.
"Lower Field First {if analog use "Upper Field First"}"
I am capturing from a Cannon MiniDV Optura 40 which is a digital camera. Should I then use a different field and if so which one and what about any other fields. Sorry, but this my last question then I am going to try again.
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rwindeyer
Re the field order: Capture from a digital source via firewire is, by convention, lower field first. So stick to that.
Re avi or mpeg: it's possibly the best way to start an argument
I will tell you what I do and why; please understand that this is not the gospel, nor is it the only way.
I capture to DV. Period. Quality is retained, editing is no problem. (Theoretically editing mpegs can lead to some quality loss; in practice that's not easy to demonstrate).
When making a video file I go Same as Project Properties (ie, another avi file). This is easy on the computer; it just has to hunt down all the scattered parts and assemble them together in order - in the same format.
Now that I have a contiguous avi file, I load it into the burning engine (I use another application, but that's beside the point); the engine can then scan the completely rendered file from start to finish, and sensibly calculate a Variable Bitrate formula that works, based on the relative complexity of different parts of the video. Then the transcoding and burning happens.
So there are three processes involved; collating, transcoding to mpeg, and burning. There is general agreement that you should not do all three at once. Many people here advocate 2 then 1 - collate and transcode, then burn. The first process will be long, the second will be much shorter. I personally go 1 then 2 - collate, then transcode and burn. The first is shorter, the second is longer. Transcoding takes a while whenever you do it.
I suspect that my route may be an hour or so longer overall, no more. I am happy with it, but whatever works for you...
Re avi or mpeg: it's possibly the best way to start an argument
I will tell you what I do and why; please understand that this is not the gospel, nor is it the only way.I capture to DV. Period. Quality is retained, editing is no problem. (Theoretically editing mpegs can lead to some quality loss; in practice that's not easy to demonstrate).
When making a video file I go Same as Project Properties (ie, another avi file). This is easy on the computer; it just has to hunt down all the scattered parts and assemble them together in order - in the same format.
Now that I have a contiguous avi file, I load it into the burning engine (I use another application, but that's beside the point); the engine can then scan the completely rendered file from start to finish, and sensibly calculate a Variable Bitrate formula that works, based on the relative complexity of different parts of the video. Then the transcoding and burning happens.
So there are three processes involved; collating, transcoding to mpeg, and burning. There is general agreement that you should not do all three at once. Many people here advocate 2 then 1 - collate and transcode, then burn. The first process will be long, the second will be much shorter. I personally go 1 then 2 - collate, then transcode and burn. The first is shorter, the second is longer. Transcoding takes a while whenever you do it.
I suspect that my route may be an hour or so longer overall, no more. I am happy with it, but whatever works for you...
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Trevor Andrew
Hi
The time it takes to create a Video File (rendering) depends on a few things.
1 / How fast your pc is
2 / The amount of editing you have done.
3 / Do the capture settings match the final burn settings
Line three (3) being important when working with Mpeg files
You wrote:-
I selected mpeg at the beginning and at the end selected DVD.
Indicates that the two settings may be different.
Render times will be reduced if the original file template is the same as burn settings.
Keeping the settings the same will also reduce many problems.
Once you have decided on a template to use for your burn settings use these for your project properties also.
To sum up:-
We have four processes to do.
Capture:
Edit (project properties)
Create Video File:
Burn a Dvd: (using the file created above)
Ideally each of these sections should contain the same settings.
hope this helps
The time it takes to create a Video File (rendering) depends on a few things.
1 / How fast your pc is
2 / The amount of editing you have done.
3 / Do the capture settings match the final burn settings
Line three (3) being important when working with Mpeg files
You wrote:-
I selected mpeg at the beginning and at the end selected DVD.
Indicates that the two settings may be different.
Render times will be reduced if the original file template is the same as burn settings.
Keeping the settings the same will also reduce many problems.
Once you have decided on a template to use for your burn settings use these for your project properties also.
To sum up:-
We have four processes to do.
Capture:
Edit (project properties)
Create Video File:
Burn a Dvd: (using the file created above)
Ideally each of these sections should contain the same settings.
hope this helps
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Ponderer
All I can say is that I wish I had had this forum when I did my first movie. I could have saved a lot of frustration with the DVD creation process. However, I've got to say that Ulead has got to take some blame for this quirk in their software. They should either make it so the processes are seperate, or they should provide guidance about this process in the on screen instructions. I don't even use Uleads burn software anymore. I just use it to create the .iso files and use a third party program for the burn. It goes much quicker that way.
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sujharri
More rendering problems?
Most of my time making a DVD seems to be in the rendering process - even when its already been done without transitions , text etc. VS8 seems to "go over" it all a second time which takes all most as long as the individual clips i have already assembled and rendered.
In other words it does not seem to recognise that it has already rendered a clip, and on aslow PC like mine thats murder!!!
Same applies trying to get a whole lot of individual avi's saved separately ( with their own name, not using pointers to the whole clip from which the shorter clips are taken) - when you go to save it renders it, but then when you try and assemble a few short, individually named avi's and make one single longer one , it renders em all again s.l.o.w.ly.........
In other words it does not seem to recognise that it has already rendered a clip, and on aslow PC like mine thats murder!!!
Same applies trying to get a whole lot of individual avi's saved separately ( with their own name, not using pointers to the whole clip from which the shorter clips are taken) - when you go to save it renders it, but then when you try and assemble a few short, individually named avi's and make one single longer one , it renders em all again s.l.o.w.ly.........
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THoff
Maybe you simply misspoke, but just so there is no confusion here, you cannot go straight from an AVI file to burning a standard DVD, the project must always be transcoded to MPEG2 format.
Lots of people, myself included, can take DVD compliant files, add them to a UVS project, and be ready for burning in not much more time than it would take to copy ~4GB or ~8GB of data from one place on our hard drive to another.
Lots of people, myself included, can take DVD compliant files, add them to a UVS project, and be ready for burning in not much more time than it would take to copy ~4GB or ~8GB of data from one place on our hard drive to another.