Computer freezing up during recording

heinz-oz · Post by **heinz-oz** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:50 am

75 GB file size for a 40odd minute AVI, what were the settings for that one?

From your previous post I can also see that you did not listen to the suggestion of many people around here to use a lower bit rate for your mpeg encoding. What are the other suggestions you chose to ignore?

Please give a step by step account of how you managed to create a 75 GB AVI file? I take it you recaptured that from the tape? What do you mean by "it took around 6 hours to save"? If you capture an AVI file it doesn't take extra time to save it. Hence, I suspect, you have captured some other format, then converted that to an AVI file and afterwards try to burn that as an mpeg file. I'm glad, at least, that you followed the same steps, what puzzles me is that you haven't told us what those steps were.

Somehow, I think, you have got it all wrong. If only you could tell us what it is that you are doing, for once, without statements like "followed all the usual steps", but step by step, from connecting your devices, the capture settings, the clip properties after capture, the project settings for the editing and for the rendering step to mpeg.

I think, if you could manage that, we might actually be getting somewhere. As it is, I feel, we are running around in circles.

THoff · Post by **THoff** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:29 am

It's probably uncompressed AVI, not DV AVI...

daddyd · Post by **daddyd** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:22 am

I'm not sure what you mean by I am ignoring the suggestions made on this thread. I have done exactly what everyone has suggested I do. When I go to share/create video file, I have tried the NTSC DV(4:3) with the following settings:

Microsoft AVI files
24 Bits, 720 x 480, 4:3, 29.97 fps
Lower Field First
DV Video Encoder -- type 2
Interleave audio for every 15 frames
PCM, 48.000 kHz, 16 Bit, Stereo

I have also tried the Same as project settings with these settings:

NTSC drop frame (29.97 fps)
MPEG files
24 Bits, 720 x 480, 29.97 fps
Lower Field First
(DVD-NTSC), 4:3
Video data rate: Variable (Max. 6000 kbps)
LPCM Audio, 48000 Hz, Stereo

And I have also tried NTSC DVD(4:3) with these settings:
MPEG files
24 Bits, 720 x 480, 29.97 fps
Lower Field First
(DVD-NTSC), 4:3
Video data rate: Variable (Max. 8000 kbps)
LPCM Audio, 48000 Hz, Stereo

I have modified the settings for each of these as well and tried also and it continues to freeze up.

As far as the settings for when I got the 75 gig file, the settings were the same as the first. The captured video is directly from my camera to VideoStudio and into my project.

I am not ignoring people. I am trying everything possible and cannot get it to work.

rwindeyer · Post by **rwindeyer** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:24 am

Hi again daddyd

First of all I'm not sure how your avi file got to be 75 Gb. Under normal circumstances, a digital video avi would run out at about 13 Gb per hour- so 40 minutes worth should be about 8 Gb or so. (Or 7.5??)

If your file is indeed 75 Gb, that takes up virtually all your available HD space, according to the numbers you told us in previous posts. To burn to DVD, the program needs a fair bit of "working room" on the HD (actually, twice the intended eventual size of the DVD file; about 6 Gb should do it). You may not have that much, hence the latest freeze.

Keep hanging in there!

daddyd · Post by **daddyd** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:47 am

It was actually 75 gigs and not 7.5 and yes that surprised me too. I don't know the reason for the size. I have about 80 gigs free on my second HD and 6 on my main HD. I have removed Macromedia MX, Easy CD Creator, Nero and a few other programs to see if a conflict from one of them was causing it, but no such luck. I have defragged both HD's I have even gone so far as to go to msconfig and try loading in diagnostic mode so nothing much would be running when I tried creating the file. It still froze up. I'm at a loss. I just do not know where to go from here. I am so frustrated.

Trevor Andrew · Post by **Trevor Andrew** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:17 am

Hi daddyd

I have read all the previous postings and am still unsure how you are connecting your camera to the pc and cannot understand what capture settings you are using.

There are two property settings we need to identify
1/ The video clip properties
2/ The project properties

These are usually the same, but can be different..

Do this for us.

Start a NEW project
Capture 20 seconds of video from your camera.
Select the edit tab.
A thumbnail is placed in the timeline and/or library
Right click the thumbnail (what are the settings you see)

Post them back here.

Trevor

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:45 am

Check you AVI compression settings. I use DV Video Encoder -- type 1
Though you have plenty of others to choose from.

heinz-oz · Post by **heinz-oz** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:26 am

One other thing I picked up is this:

You say your main drive has about 6 Gig free

Where does your swap file live and where have you pointed VS to keep the temp files?

If these two reside on your main drive, I'm surprised it works at all.

One more thing, in reply to one of my, as usual

(sorry), snipy remarks, you stated this

I am not ignoring people. I am trying everything possible and cannot get it to work.

Sorry, I did not mean to accuse you of anything you do on purpose. It just seems that you get so carried away that you forget to look at the bigger picture. There is really no advantage to go to the extreme of 8000 kbps for the encoding. Many people have told you that and yet, the post of yours that I was refering to, stated just that. There is nothing wrong with using a high bit rate, if everything works and, as in your case, there is enough space on the DVD. It just indicated to me that, inspite of some advice given here, you were still using settings we advised against. I just wanted to get you to state more clearly what you did and how.

Once more, I did not want to offend you, just stirr you up a little and get your attention.

If, as I suspect now, your temp files are on your main drive, I'm not surprised that the system hangs, it runs out of space for the temp files. Unfortunately, and that really is not your fault, it's Ulead's, I have yet to come a accross a piece of Ulead software that would give you a relevant error message when it runs out of breathing space.

daddyd · Post by **daddyd** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:36 pm

trevor andrew wrote:Hi daddyd

Do this for us.

Start a NEW project
Capture 20 seconds of video from your camera.
Select the edit tab.
A thumbnail is placed in the timeline and/or library
Right click the thumbnail (what are the settings you see)

Post them back here.

Trevor

Ok I created a small vid clip and these are the properties:

File
File format: Microsoft AVI files - OpenDML
File size: 108,531 KBytes
Frame rate: 29.970 Frames/sec
Duration: 30.797 Seconds
Data rate: 3512.11

Video
Compression: DV Video Encoder - type 1
Attributes: 24 Bits, 720 x 480, 4:3
Total frames: 923 Frames(s)

Audio
Compression: DV Audio - NTSC
Attributes: 48,000kHz, 16 Bit, Stereo
Total samples: 1,478,278 Samples

Is there anything wrong with these that might cause the freezing?

THoff · Post by **THoff** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:03 pm

That looks fine. You can ignore the datarate information, for some reason it doesn't show correctly for DV. The correct datarate for DV AVI is 25Mbps.

daddyd · Post by **daddyd** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:35 pm

THoff wrote:That looks fine. You can ignore the datarate information, for some reason it doesn't show correctly for DV. The correct datarate for DV AVI is 25Mbps.

I tried adding a couple video filters and just two pictures to this test clip and it once again froze up.

Oh and I tried just saving the video by itself and it also froze.

heinz-oz · Post by **heinz-oz** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 12:30 am

Is your second hard disk an internal one or is it external?

In Preferences, please, check where your temp files reside?

daddyd · Post by **daddyd** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 12:54 am

My second HD is internal and my temp files are directed their.

2Dogs · Post by **2Dogs** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:15 pm

daddyd wrote:I tried adding a couple video filters and just two pictures to this test clip and it once again froze up.

Oh and I tried just saving the video by itself and it also froze.

Dear Daddyd,

just for the record and to get this clear to the point that it doesn't need to be repeated:

Take a short sample captured avi clip and put it on the timeline of a new, blank project. (you seem able to capture footage OK now, with regular file properties) Don't add any pictures, titles, audio or anything else for now.

Try creating a video file from this sample with the same properties ("Share", "Create Video File", "Same as First Video Clip" and save the file to a test folder on your capture drive.

Does this work?

If it does, try doing the same thing but this time "Share", "Create Video File", "NTSC DVD (4:3)"

Does that work?

If it does, try adding an image to the timeline and repeat the exercise. Can you then share to an avi file?
Can you create the NTSC DVD (4:3) file? (MPEG-2, Lower Field First, 24 Bits, 720 x 480, 4:3, Variable bitrate [Max 8000 kbps]

David Rodgers · Post by **David Rodgers** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:51 pm

Daddyd,

I have not read every post, but have you tried making sure your drive has the most current firmware update? And have you tried using the CD/DVD Burning Pack from Ulead? http://www.ulead.com/tech/vs/vs.htm

It sounds to me like it's a drive/software problem.

I can't believe it is VS9, because I, and I am sure many others have had good success with the program.