Video Studio 9 Pass Through Problem

stindlpeter · Post by **stindlpeter** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 6:28 am

I use Video Studio 9 and a DV Camera to achieve pass through. When I switch to capture I see the picture of the pass through camera. But as soon as I start capture I see a black picture. After stopping capture I get an error message that nothing has been captured.

All this works great with the freeware WinDV. Cannot believe that it should not work with Video Studio 9 too....

rwindeyer · Post by **rwindeyer** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:20 am

Do you have a tape in the camera?

The reason I ask, is that the "capture" command seems to involve "start the tape running, and capture the video stream". If there is a blank tape there, that's what you will get. If there is no tape present (a pre-requisite for pass-through operations) the first part of the command can't happen, but it doesn't stop the second part from happening. You capture the video stream that is passed through from the VHS source.

stindlpeter · Post by **stindlpeter** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:45 am

Thank you for your response. I have a tape in the camera. WinDv for instance does not care about a tape. And I do not want to take out the tape since I will lose some features of my camera.

But if I understand you correctly Video Studio does not have a simple flag to select capture with camera controls or without. Hard to believe for me but it seems to be like this... And the documentation does not mention anything about this. I am the only one in this world capturing video from an old camera to DV directly to the hard disk - great!!! I will try without tape if I have finished my tape so that I can take it out. Or I will stick to the freeware WinDV for this purpose. Do you know if it makes a quality difference? Sure a frame is better than nothing - but if Video Studio might work?

Thank you a lot for your support again.

heinz-oz · Post by **heinz-oz** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:52 am

If we knew a bit more than nothing about your system, software settings, connection type etc. we could possibly help

stindlpeter · Post by **stindlpeter** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:01 am

heinz-oz wrote:If we knew a bit more than nothing about your system, software settings, connection type etc. we could possibly help

It is WinXP SP2 FAT 32. Sony DCR-HC90E PAL connected via Fire Wire to the computer. Panasonic NV-S900 PAL connected to the Sony via S-Video and audio plugs. A tape is in the Sony and a tape is in the Panasonic. Sony is set to pass through so that it shows the picture of the Panasonic on the Sony display and on the capture picture in Video Studio as long as the capture in Video Studio is not started. My Video Studio 9 has the latest updates. Again - WinDV works but why do I have Video Studio 9... A problem of WinDV is the dedection of the file size. After 4 GB it simply stops.

bop · Post by **bop** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:10 am

I'm sure to corrected if i'm wrong but it stops at 4gb because you are using fat 32 file system where ntfs does not have that restriction you can convert with no data loss have a look at this
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodte ... rtfat.mspx

Bop

Trevor Andrew · Post by **Trevor Andrew** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:14 am

Hi
As ‘rwindeyer’ said above---remove the tape in the camera connected to the pc. ( the Sony DCR-HC90E PAL)

When I set my camera up for pass through I have to change a setting on the cameras menu to indicate ‘A/V in and DV out’

Trevor

stindlpeter · Post by **stindlpeter** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:38 am

I know that FAT 16 has 2 GB minus 1 byte limt, FAT 32 has 4 GB minus 1 byte limit and NTFS has a realistic limit of 16 terabytes minus 64 KB

But I am not willing to change to NTFS since I have Win95 and Win98 computers on my network. File sharing gets a problem then...

I will try to take out the tape when it is finished. Ulead should try to implement a simple flag in the meantime

if pass_through_flag then
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else
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end if

I still cannot believe that such a software does not provide anything like this... If I take out the tape I will lose some camera features.

Post by **Ron P.** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 2:07 pm

stindlpeter wrote: But I am not willing to change to NTFS since I have Win95 and Win98 computers on my network. File sharing gets a problem then...

I'm running WinXP Home, NTFS, networked with a computer running Win98SE (Fat32) and found it to be easier to set up and network with....

Trevor Andrew · Post by **Trevor Andrew** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 2:33 pm

Hi
When you use your camera as pass through you are using the camera software to convert the incoming analogue A/V signal to DV.

If you were to buy a A/V to DV converter it would just be a box with no means of inserting a tape.
It just uses the software.

I have a Panasonic GS 400 and cannot use pass through with the tape inserted.
Although I have to change the settings within the camera menu.
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You say (I still cannot believe that such a software does not provide anything like this... If I take out the tape I will lose some camera features.)
Your camera does not need any features, just to convert A/V to DV.
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Your operating system using Fat 32 is a separate matter as to how you get the video onto your pc, it just limits file sizes to 4Gb.

Trevor

erock1 · Post by **erock1** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:25 pm

just to add my 2 cents. stindlpeter, you're saying the Ulead should include documentation in VS instructions about using your camcorder as a pass-through device. Sorry, but what you're doing has really nothing to do with VS. It's your camera. I'll bet that your camcorder's instructional manual has documentation on using it as a pass-through device. If not, you should be complaining to the camcorder manufacturer, not Ulead

rwindeyer · Post by **rwindeyer** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:16 am

stindlpeter wrote:If I take out the tape I will lose some camera features.

Hmm- like what?? I frequently use my mini DV camera as a pass-through device for capturing VHS. The only thing I want it to do on this occasion is change the signal from analogue to digital. I can't think of any other features you would want or need.

I just slip out the tape when doing this capture, and pop it back in again afterwards. The camera is perfectly happy with this, and all functionality is restored.

stindlpeter · Post by **stindlpeter** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 3:33 pm

Here my replies to the many not so helpful users here:

To the statement of vidoman:

"I'm running WinXP Home, NTFS, networked with a computer running Win98SE (Fat32) and found it to be easier to set up and network with..."

After more than 30 years in the IT business I think there is a different motivation than a video software lacking some basic features to change to NTFS...

To the statement of eroc1:

"just to add my 2 cents. stindlpeter, you're saying the Ulead should include documentation in VS instructions about using your camcorder as a pass-through device. Sorry, but what you're doing has really nothing to do with VS. It's your camera. I'll bet that your camcorder's instructional manual has documentation on using it as a pass-through device. If not, you should be complaining to the camcorder manufacturer, not Ulead"

Does he have basic knowledge? As other users state here correctly - if you have the tape inside the camera ULEAD gets a problem since it wants to use the camera controls. This has nothing to do at all with the CAMERA or ME... He just wants to insult I guess and want to show how ?good? he is...at least in insulting.

To the statement of rwindeyer:

"Hmm- like what?? I frequently use my mini DV camera as a pass-through device for capturing VHS. The only thing I want it to do on this occasion is change the signal from analogue to digital. I can't think of any other features you would want or need.

I just slip out the tape when doing this capture, and pop it back in again afterwards. The camera is perfectly happy with this, and all functionality is restored."

It is nice if he wants to change the signal from analogue to digital sometimes and does not see why I have a problem - HE only does this sometimes... And it is nice to know that his camera is perfectly happy with this. I do not know the features of his camera - does he know the features of mine????? His statement lacks the most basic features...

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In this forum are very helpful people. Sad that there are some giving just annoying and useless answers.

Others stating that you have to take out the tape when using ULEAD were correct. This is not true for many other products and on top of it even the freeware WinDV can handle this. It is a sad story that I have to use a freeware to capture for instance my old videos. But the ULEAD software has many other very basic problems - for instance just press F1 at any field and you get to the help file - with no direct connection to where you called the help. This kind of software design is behind the most basic requirements software should provide today. And to show the skipped frames only in Version 9 and... It is okay with me - I can change easily. Because of my job I get all software for free.

Post by **Ron P.** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:01 am

stindlpeter wrote:Here my replies to the many not so helpful users here:

To the statement of vidoman:

"I'm running WinXP Home, NTFS, networked with a computer running Win98SE (Fat32) and found it to be easier to set up and network with..."

After more than 30 years in the IT business I think there is a different motivation than a video software lacking some basic features to change to NTFS...

Mr. Stindlpeter sir;

I appologize if I offended you with my feeble attempt at assiting you with your problem. My intentions were not to annoy you or anyone else. I didn't see in any of your previous posts your past experience, expertise, or anything about the field you work in.
It appeared as a lot of posts do, as someone either new to the program, and/or computing. I just wanted to offer some help.

Again my appologies if it offends you...

Ron

heinz-oz · Post by **heinz-oz** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:33 am

@stindlpeter

It is nice if he wants to change the signal from analogue to digital sometimes and does not see why I have a problem - HE only does this sometimes... And it is nice to know that his camera is perfectly happy with this. I do not know the features of his camera - does he know the features of mine????? His statement lacks the most basic features...

Well, I fail to see where your problem is also. Do you object to have to take out your tape in order to use the pass through function? If that's the case, how would you like the software to handle the case if I want to capture from tape? What are the features that you lose when you take out the tape? Whatever feature that may be, I don't think it's relevant in this context.

Nobody here, so far, has been rude or unhelpful, except you. If a basic video editing suite, aimed at the basic consumer wanting to do something with their home movies, does not live up to your professional expectations, I suggest you look at a more advanced editing suite. Regardless of which one you chose, I daubt that it will be able to guess whether you want to capture from your tape in the camera or use the pass through function.

So far to my two pennies worth.