Folks:
Whenever I capture TV programs using WinTV 2000 that came with my WinTV PVR-250, the mpeg files turn out like this (according to Ulead VisualStudio 8 ):
File format: NTSC DVD
Video Type: MPEG-2 Video, Upper Field First
Attributes: 24 Bits, 720x480, 4:3
Frame rate: 29.970 Frames/Sec
Data rate: Variable bit rate (Max 6200 kbps)
Audio type: MPEG Audio Layer 2 Files
Attributes: 48000 Hz, 16 Bit Stereo
Layer: 2
Bit rate: 384 kbps
Does anyone know if there's a way to modify the field order either at the driver level or perhaps with WinTV2k (I know, wrong forum for the latter)? I only record shows in order to burn them onto DVD, and the standard interlaced field order for DVD NTSC is Lower Field First -- because of this, VS8 wants to re-encode every mpeg file. Also, DVD NTSC standard specifies PCM (LPCM?) for audio, not MPEG-2 -- is there a way to tell the 250 card to not use mp2?
BTW, I know that I can adjust most of the other parameters via preferences.
Thanks In Advance,
--Phil
WinTV-250 Mpeg Config and VS8
Moderator: Ken Berry
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jchunter_2
Phil,
IMHO, Video Studio is re-encoding your video because you are encountering a bug. Try following the Recommended Procedure (top post, follow first link), which will lead you away from this unnecessary conversion of compliant videos.
Your field order (Upper Field First) is correct for analog video capture. You can change it in Video Studio by setting Properties (not preferences, which only control default settings) when you create your video file. However, tests in the old forum have shown a decrease in image sharpness if you change from Upper to Lower field order (or vice versa).
When burning a DVD, you can use any field order. Best results if you maintain original capture Field Order.
IMHO, Video Studio is re-encoding your video because you are encountering a bug. Try following the Recommended Procedure (top post, follow first link), which will lead you away from this unnecessary conversion of compliant videos.
Your field order (Upper Field First) is correct for analog video capture. You can change it in Video Studio by setting Properties (not preferences, which only control default settings) when you create your video file. However, tests in the old forum have shown a decrease in image sharpness if you change from Upper to Lower field order (or vice versa).
When burning a DVD, you can use any field order. Best results if you maintain original capture Field Order.
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pmurnane
Hello fellow Arizonan (I'm up in the Prescott area),
I am using the recommended procedure, AFAIK:
1. Open the file with VS8, when prompted say "yes", set the project settings to match the mpeg file settings.
2. Edit the file as desired -- I usually only trim out the commercials using multi-trim, or whatever that feature is named.
3. Save the project.
4. Create a new .mpeg file using the same settings as the project.
5. Select File->New project.
6. Goto Share->Create Disc.
7. Add the new .mpeg file.
8. Set the mpeg settings to match the .mpeg file (Kbps, etc), and to not rerender compliant files.
9. Create menus, etc and test.
10. Burn the disc.
When I do this, VS8 still re-encodes the mpeg (it says disc space required is 2.1GB & hard disk space required is 4.2GB).
Am I doing something wrong?
TIA,
--Phil
I am using the recommended procedure, AFAIK:
1. Open the file with VS8, when prompted say "yes", set the project settings to match the mpeg file settings.
2. Edit the file as desired -- I usually only trim out the commercials using multi-trim, or whatever that feature is named.
3. Save the project.
4. Create a new .mpeg file using the same settings as the project.
5. Select File->New project.
6. Goto Share->Create Disc.
7. Add the new .mpeg file.
8. Set the mpeg settings to match the .mpeg file (Kbps, etc), and to not rerender compliant files.
9. Create menus, etc and test.
10. Burn the disc.
When I do this, VS8 still re-encodes the mpeg (it says disc space required is 2.1GB & hard disk space required is 4.2GB).
Am I doing something wrong?
TIA,
--Phil
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jchunter_2
Phil,
I passed by Prescott yesterday on the way to the Snowbowl for a day of skiing. Nice to have some decent snow this year...
Your procedure seems OK, but you are still triggering the conversion of compliant videos bug.
Is your timeline display completely empty when burning?
If so, please post your complete list of capture, project, and burn properties. Maybe this will show something.
I passed by Prescott yesterday on the way to the Snowbowl for a day of skiing. Nice to have some decent snow this year...
Your procedure seems OK, but you are still triggering the conversion of compliant videos bug.
Is your timeline display completely empty when burning?
If so, please post your complete list of capture, project, and burn properties. Maybe this will show something.
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Trevor Andrew
Hi Phil
Added a few lines to your process, this should match your project settings your Mpeg.
You should not need to alter any settings in the burner windows as the burner settings will reflect the project settings.
1. Open the file with VS8, when prompted say "yes", set the project settings to match the mpeg file settings.
2. Edit the file as desired -- I usually only trim out the commercials using multi-trim, or whatever that feature is named.
3. Save the project.
4. Create a new .mpeg file using the same settings as the project.
5. Select File->New project.
5a. Insert new mpeg file to timeline.
5b. say "yes", set the project settings to match the mpeg file settings.
5c. delete file from timeline, save project.
6. Goto Share->Create Disc.
7. Add the new .mpeg file.
8. Set the mpeg settings to match the .mpeg file (Kbps, etc), and to not rerender compliant files.
9. Create menus, etc and test.
10. Burn the disc.
Added a few lines to your process, this should match your project settings your Mpeg.
You should not need to alter any settings in the burner windows as the burner settings will reflect the project settings.
1. Open the file with VS8, when prompted say "yes", set the project settings to match the mpeg file settings.
2. Edit the file as desired -- I usually only trim out the commercials using multi-trim, or whatever that feature is named.
3. Save the project.
4. Create a new .mpeg file using the same settings as the project.
5. Select File->New project.
5a. Insert new mpeg file to timeline.
5b. say "yes", set the project settings to match the mpeg file settings.
5c. delete file from timeline, save project.
6. Goto Share->Create Disc.
7. Add the new .mpeg file.
8. Set the mpeg settings to match the .mpeg file (Kbps, etc), and to not rerender compliant files.
9. Create menus, etc and test.
10. Burn the disc.
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pmurnane
Thanks for the tip on the extra steps in the process -- i'll give them a try. It sounds like the key is to have a 100% empty project (along with matching settings) when burning the disc. Is this a well known bug, or just a suspected bug?
jchunter_2 -- I wonder how many people reading this are thinking "Skiing in Arizona?"
Thanks again for everyone's help -- I'll give the suggestions a try sometime during the next few days.
--Phil
PS: I did manage to burn a disc without a forced reencode, but with upper field first. It played on my Sony 400-disc changer, but I haven't tested it yet on my other players.
jchunter_2 -- I wonder how many people reading this are thinking "Skiing in Arizona?"
Thanks again for everyone's help -- I'll give the suggestions a try sometime during the next few days.
--Phil
PS: I did manage to burn a disc without a forced reencode, but with upper field first. It played on my Sony 400-disc changer, but I haven't tested it yet on my other players.
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Trevor Andrew
Hi Phil
No this is not a bug.
When we start a new project Video Studio uses a set of default settings which we probably don’t want. We edit the project properties to our needs, eg bit rate / pal / ntsc / mpeg /lpcm audio.
We capture our footage to match the project settings.
We edit our project.
Then we create a video file ‘same as project settings’.
Everything has the same properties. (the trick is to get them right from the start)
We start a new project with a view to burning a dvd.
This project uses VS default settings. (not what we want)
We can change them by inserting the Mpeg and letting VS do the work
Or
Open the original project.
Delete everything from the timeline, (I mean everything)
‘Save As’ give it a new name.
Now go to Share Create Disc. Add Video
Start the burner module from a project with the right settings and it will work.
Before we go to the burner module we should create a project with the correct settings.
The point being that the burner module reflects the project settings.
And yeh Skiing in Arizona
its a bit to far away 
No this is not a bug.
When we start a new project Video Studio uses a set of default settings which we probably don’t want. We edit the project properties to our needs, eg bit rate / pal / ntsc / mpeg /lpcm audio.
We capture our footage to match the project settings.
We edit our project.
Then we create a video file ‘same as project settings’.
Everything has the same properties. (the trick is to get them right from the start)
We start a new project with a view to burning a dvd.
This project uses VS default settings. (not what we want)
We can change them by inserting the Mpeg and letting VS do the work
Or
Open the original project.
Delete everything from the timeline, (I mean everything)
‘Save As’ give it a new name.
Now go to Share Create Disc. Add Video
Start the burner module from a project with the right settings and it will work.
Before we go to the burner module we should create a project with the correct settings.
The point being that the burner module reflects the project settings.
And yeh Skiing in Arizona
its a bit to far away -
jchunter_2
Trevor,
Not a bug? Surely, you must be joking. When Video Studio converts video files that are already compliant, that’s a BUG.
Video Studio has been doing this for as long as I have been using it – both versions 7 and 8. I have reported it to Ulead Tech Support and the Software Development team three different times.
The worst part of this bug is that it traps new users EVERY TIME! Most of the problems that have been reported on this forum are caused by new users trying to burn DVDs directly from projects in the timeline.
This bug would be simple to fix:
(1) Disable the “Create Disk” button if there is anything at all in the timeline display, leaving “Create Video File” as the only viable option, and
(2) Permanently eliminate the “Add Project” button in the SHARE module (which triggers the same bug).
Not a bug? Surely, you must be joking. When Video Studio converts video files that are already compliant, that’s a BUG.
Video Studio has been doing this for as long as I have been using it – both versions 7 and 8. I have reported it to Ulead Tech Support and the Software Development team three different times.
The worst part of this bug is that it traps new users EVERY TIME! Most of the problems that have been reported on this forum are caused by new users trying to burn DVDs directly from projects in the timeline.
This bug would be simple to fix:
(1) Disable the “Create Disk” button if there is anything at all in the timeline display, leaving “Create Video File” as the only viable option, and
(2) Permanently eliminate the “Add Project” button in the SHARE module (which triggers the same bug).
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Trevor Andrew
Hi John
I agree that a bug may exists when trying to burn a Dvd direct from a Video Studio Project.
That is not in dispute at all.
It is most unfortunate that Ulead are not changing their approach to the burning process. We know that creating an mpeg first is the way forward.
Phil was trying to burn a dvd from a Mpeg file.
The only reason that VS rendered the file prior to burning was due to incorrect settings. Phil assumed this to be a bug? Not a bug.
If you class educating people to use the correct settings a bug, then I cannot agree.
When you first start a new project, if we didn’t modify the project properties we will run into problems.
Is this a bug? No this is not a bug, no more than trying to burn a Dvd with incompatible settings.
When you first enter the burner module the settings used for burning are the same as the project settings.
(try it, make a vcd project, go to create disc, the burner settings will match the vcd template,try another svcd)
If the Mpeg file settings match NO render will take place. (but you know all this)
The point being that the burner settings are the same as the project you have just left, in fact you have not left the project at all, the burner module is part of the project.
Using the ‘show messages when inserting first video’ is the most useful selection you can make.
We use it when we place a file into a project, but not when we start a new project to enter the burner module.
Yes bugs do exist but don’t assume that each time things go wrong that it is a bug.
When Phil gets his settings correct, it will work, but he hasn’t cured a bug, he just understands the process a little clearer.
read my quick guide from the link below
Trevor
I agree that a bug may exists when trying to burn a Dvd direct from a Video Studio Project.
That is not in dispute at all.
It is most unfortunate that Ulead are not changing their approach to the burning process. We know that creating an mpeg first is the way forward.
Phil was trying to burn a dvd from a Mpeg file.
The only reason that VS rendered the file prior to burning was due to incorrect settings. Phil assumed this to be a bug? Not a bug.
If you class educating people to use the correct settings a bug, then I cannot agree.
When you first start a new project, if we didn’t modify the project properties we will run into problems.
Is this a bug? No this is not a bug, no more than trying to burn a Dvd with incompatible settings.
When you first enter the burner module the settings used for burning are the same as the project settings.
(try it, make a vcd project, go to create disc, the burner settings will match the vcd template,try another svcd)
If the Mpeg file settings match NO render will take place. (but you know all this)
The point being that the burner settings are the same as the project you have just left, in fact you have not left the project at all, the burner module is part of the project.
Using the ‘show messages when inserting first video’ is the most useful selection you can make.
We use it when we place a file into a project, but not when we start a new project to enter the burner module.
Yes bugs do exist but don’t assume that each time things go wrong that it is a bug.
When Phil gets his settings correct, it will work, but he hasn’t cured a bug, he just understands the process a little clearer.
read my quick guide from the link below
Trevor