Bizzare timeline behavior

[bjtap1]

Before I begin to describe some of this behavior: ripple editing is turned off as is slip, stretch, roll, and slide.

Behaviors: 1) Sometimes when I try to simply move a clip on the video track it won't budge. I have to drop it to an overlay track and move it back onto the video track to where I want it. 2) When I drop a clip onto the video track it will ripple edit automatically, 3) Sometimes when I try to shorten or lengthen a clip, the clip will do neither, 4) perhaps the most bizzare... if I can shorten a clip the next clip on the video track will lengthen even to the point that freeze frames are created AND the clip is not attached to the previous clip! There is a gap between them. The same is true if I can lenghten a clip, the previous clip on the video timeline will shorten.
Just discovered another wierd behavior: Again on the video track and whether the ripple is on or off: if I can move a clip, the clips located after the clip I am moving will move also. Clips on the overlay tracks remain stationary. (Perhaps I don't understand what ripple editing is supposed to do). This will not happen when I move the last clip on the video track.

I hope I am clear in describing what is happening. I have looked into preferences but did not see anything that would account for these behaviors. Final note: these behaviors were not occuring when I first started the project. It was only after a few saves, reloads and getting a few minutes (like 4 or so) in length that it started.
Thanks, Barry
VideoStudio Ultimate 2023 (26.0.0.136)

[lata]

Hi
Some of what you describe is normal behaviour.
Video added to the top video track will always shift left, there will be no gaps, as long as I can remember this has always been the same. Corel did introduce “gap editing”, that did not workwell causing more issues.

Ripple Editing when selected locks the clips on the top track to selected overlay tracks, so moving the top track would force the overlay tracks to follow, quite specific in how we use this feature there are some pitfalls

Your best option is to edit from left to right, that will keep clips in line.
Only when adding clips downstream will we need Ripple Edit

Q4
Have you been using Multi cam capture edit?
What you describe seems like mcce projects

[bjtap1]

This is the third attmpt I am making at a reply in this thread. The first two just 'disappeared' when selecting post reply or submit.
Trevor,
First, thanks for your reply.
Answers to your two questions: 1) No multicam involved and 2) I do not know what a mcce project is so I cannot answer that.

What still seems all wrong is my number four above: if I can shorten a clip the next clip on the video track will lengthen even to the point that freeze frames are created AND the clip is not attached to the previous clip! There is a gap between them. (and Vice Versa). Why it seems all wrong is because ripple editing, slip, stretch, roll, and slide are all turned off. I created a screen shot video of this behavior but I did not see anyway to post it to the board.
Thanks, Barry

[lata]

Hi Barry
Multi Cam Capture Editor allows us to first synchronise several video and audio clips but remove portions keeping the remainder in audio sync.
Once complete we return to the timelines and library where we see a MultiCam.VSP clip, much the same as any other VSP but is different in the way it reacts to editing, ( drag the VSP to the timeline to edit) and takes on how you describe #4 where the adjacent clip does indeed change length to retain the audio sync.
and the reason for me asking if you had used MCCE

Are you sure the second clip is actually being resized and not just moving along the timeline which would be normal for the top track?

You can check the duration of the second clip which shows on the digital click at the top left of the options panel, just below the edit tab, double click the second clip to open options.
Resize the first clip, second clip will move, select the second clip to view its duration, should be the same.

One thing I do think is wrong is dragging the trim bar to increase the video duration will eventually add duplicate frames, done by mistake can mess up our timeline as it appears to add a freeze frame.
They should give us some warning that this is happening or indeed leave it to selection one of the Slip, Stretch, roll, slide options.
You can id the additional duplicated frames by changing your timeline view to file name only. Preferences – General – clip Display mode, now the extra frames show as blue

All i can suggest is to avoid creating those duplicate frames, and if done in error, remove them to show just the video clip.

[bjtap1]

Trevor,
Again I thank you. OK, MCCE is multi-cameral capture. I did not know that. No, mcce was not involved.
As for the rest there is no doubt the 'second clip' IS being resized and not moving along the track. If I could upload the video to the forum you would clearly see this behavior. What I will do now is contact support and upload the video to them.
Barry

[bjtap1]

I heard back from Corel on this... and very quickly!
Once again Trevor was right on. This behavior of 'mimicking' slide and/or roll while they are turned off seems wierd to me.
Here is Corel's reply:

"VideoStudio is keeping the gap between the two videos constant. So instead, the clip is elongated.
If you want to reduce the gap, move the whole video to the required position first, then you can either trim or expand the video.
VideoStudio is behaving normally although it may look off".

Yes indeed, it does look off!
Thanks again Trevor.
Barry

[lata]

When Corel first introduced gap editing it was a bit of a disaster, they did fix some things but for me is more trouble than its worth, there was issues using ripple editing with gap, not sure if that has improved or not.
Needless to say I avoid gaps.
The better option for me is to add a colour clip, a black one instead of gaps, or any colour we choose.