Tif files (at least those from DxO) "open" in PSP2022 as pixelated messes

[dss27]

I generally use DxO PhotoLab 5 Elite to convert and initially edit RAW files. I often then export these to the Nik Collection for further work as Tifs but I have PSP2022 Ultimate (and ASP3) as there are things I can theoretically do in PSP that I can't with DxO (or at least not as easily). I save all DxO-processed files as Tifs, but when I then try to open them in PSP, all I get is a useless, pixelated mess. The Tif thumbnails sometimes appear normally and sometimes they're pixelated as well (image showing both attached), but if I try to open either, it resembles the image on the left, which obviously makes the program essentially useless (unless I convert the file to a JPG before opening in PSP?), which is not desirable workflow-wise. Is this a common problem and is there a reasonable solution?

This is a different subject (so maybe I should open a new post--this is my first on the forum), but if I try to open a RAW file in PSP, it opens a Camera RAW Lab window (a very basic program). Is there a way to let PSP know that I have ASP3 and it should instead open the image therein? It seems that it should already "know" that. It also prompts me to buy ASP3, so it's obviously oblivious to that. Thanks for any help you can provide!

[LeviFiction]

I would save as PNG over JPEG if you're looking for a new format other than TIFF. PNG is at least lossless. But I haven't known TIF to show a pixelated mess before in PSP or ASP. Wonder what pixel format it's saving the TIFF files in.

As for getting opening raw images from PSP in ASP. Not that I know of. In fact the way that the settings are setup i think the intended workflow if you use ASP is to start with ASP as both your photo manager and basic editor. Then if you want more editing have APS open the file in PSP using ASP's external editor option.

[dss27]

Thanks, but PNG is not an output option for PhotoLab 5 (PL5), as those include only JPEG, DNG, and TIFF and "JPEG or TIFF images cannot be exported in DNG format." My workflow has been RAW->TIFF as that's the optimal format for the all of DxO products and I want to be able to do things like convert from RAW in PL5, export to Nik, and then to PSP if necessary, after which I may want to fine-tune in one of the previously-used programs to finally produce a print. I have no idea how to determine what "pixel format" it's saving, as I thought a TIFF is a TIFF. I could use the ASP to PSP mode but I switched to PL5 as it's my RAW conversion program of choice. Also, I can use the Nik plug-ins from within PSP, so that's an option. PL5 allows me to "Export to application" and I did so, selecting DNG as the file type and PSP as the app. It opened PSP but in the Camera RAW Lab screen (prompting me to "Do more with RAW" by getting ASP3, which I already have!), so it apparently thinks that the it's still in RAW form. Clicking Cancel closed to file so I had to re-open it in PSP and clicked OK instead. I then applied some quick tweaks and "Saved as" a TIFF file and as a DNG, both of which I was able to open with any of the DxO apps, so there are workflow choices here. I'm not sure if there's a substantial difference between using TIFF or DNG, but it's good to have options. Thanks again for your help.

[dss27]

Thanks, but PNG is not an output option for PhotoLab 5 (PL5), as those include only JPEG, DNG, and TIFF and "JPEG or TIFF images cannot be exported in DNG format." My workflow has been RAW->TIFF as that's the optimal format for the all of DxO products and I want to be able to do things like convert from RAW in PL5, export to Nik, and then to PSP if necessary, after which I may want to fine-tune in one of the previously-used programs to finally produce a print. I have no idea how to determine what "pixel format" it's saving, as I thought a TIFF is a TIFF. I could use the ASP to PSP mode but I switched to PL5 as it's my RAW conversion program of choice. Also, I can use the Nik plug-ins from within PSP, so that's an option. PL5 allows me to "Export to application" and I did so, selecting DNG as the file type and PSP as the app. It opened PSP but in the Camera RAW Lab screen (prompting me to "Do more with RAW" by getting ASP3, which I already have!), so it apparently thinks that the it's still in RAW form. Clicking Cancel closed to file so I had to re-open it in PSP and clicked OK instead. I then applied some quick tweaks and "Saved as" a TIFF file and as a DNG, both of which I was able to open with any of the DxO apps (except FilmPack 6, which apparently can't open DNGs, although the FP6 renderings can be accessed via PL5), so there are workflow choices here. I'm not sure if there's a substantial difference between using TIFF or DNG, but it's good to have options. Thanks again for your help.

[LeviFiction]

In PSP you can tell it not to use the raw lab for raw files under file format preferences. It would speed up your process a bit.

[splash3313]

I woukd suggest posting the tiff file if that is not an option link to it from onedrive, so we can all test it. Try it in irfanview and xnview if they have the same problem then its the software you used to creat the tif with.

[splash3313]

It could be that you have encoded the tiff file differnetly to other programs as i have done a search on the internet and even apple has a problem with tiff files from DxO. Best to make sure you
are not compressing the file.

This is from DxO manual

TIFF: TIFF is a lossless format designed for high-quality files that you intend to archive or which you will post-process further (all
image editing applications can import TIFF images). When you choose TIFF format for an output image, you must also choose two
specific settings:

The compressed / uncompressed option: We advise sticking with the uncompressed option, which results in a larger file,
but is more widely accepted by post-processing programs than compressed TIFFs.

8- or 16-bit encoding: 8-bit encoding provides only 255 possible levels per color channel, while 16-bit encoding provides
65,536 shades of color. This latter choice is available only if the source image itself was originally coded in a 16-bit format
(i.e., RAW or 16-bit TIFF format). We advise choosing the 16-bit format whenever possible, since it greatly improves color
rendition. Furthermore, this format represents an excellent choice for preserving and archiving your images.

[rondo]

Still using DXO 11- never a problem with image quality exporting to PSP as an uncompressed TIFF.