VS2020 EPIC UNDO FAILS

[mbusselberg]

Ok... I am bleeping sick of VideoStudio 2020 and I want a free upgrade to a version that won't ruin the various projects I am working on (see why below)... or Corel needs to do something about the downgrade in functional quality of its products and release fixes. I have already posted about how annoying the lack of a locked main video track has made my hobby more difficult. Now I am experiencing a serious issue that breaks my videos and I have to go back to a previous save. There was a long period of time this last year where I stopped working with VS 2020 (or any version) for unrelated reasons (between my last thread and this one). I returned to video editing recently. Since I updated the software I CAN'T UNDO A VIDEO SPLIT without something weird, unpredictable, and project breaking happening, particularly later in the project production.

Most of the times I try to undo clipping (splitting) a video (which I constantly do because of the nature of the editing I perform), instead of undoing my split, I lose the clip that I am trying to "put back together" by undoing the split. In its place another clip exists from somewhere else in the video. I was completely lost the first time this happened as to what was going on. It has now happened in excess of 5 times so I know I am not mistaken about what is happening. After it happened the first time I saved my work and went back to an earlier version. Undoing audio clip splits works just fine; but I CANNOT work with video unless I save a new version of my project every couple of minutes under a new title. After comparing two saves before and after the problem the first or second time it happened, I think what is happening is random clips from the garbage that collects at the end (I don't delete editing and remix clips until I am done a video) are being inserted into the space where the clip is supposed to be rejoined (after undoing a split). This makes my video editing hobby (of creating custom music videos and remixes) impossible to do.

I want to go back to VS 2017 but two there are two problems:
VS 2020 saves aren't compatible with VS 2017.
VS 2017 STILL uses the old API (Application Programming Interface) for opening files which is inexcusable since the old API hasn't been in use by windows itself since Windows XP. The API change is the ONLY reason I upgraded (after watching the quality decrease and unprofessional behavior from Corel increase over the last decade).

I was surprised not to see any other post about this problem because of its prevalence on my system. Perhaps it is because I don't throw away scraps until the end. It has happened with more than one project (I started another recently and the same thing happens). Perhaps someone else can reproduce this problem. This is a series of things I do with my videos when creating them:

1. Start with a video of substantial length with several video overlay tracks. (Not sure if music is necessary but I have 5 music tracks for remixing the music as well)
2. Make a lot of splits to "remix" the order of events, or insert pieces of related videos into the main track.
3. Clip parts in order to slow down and speed up the video (I do this to match the lyrics and the mood of the music with what is happening in the video).
4. Cut a lot of parts out of the video and move the desired video that I want to keep in front of the part that is cut (this is what collects at the end and where the clips that get inserted into the undo space come from. I often cut small and large segments out that I aren't important for the music video in order to help it fit the music and these clips collect at the end).
3. Overlap many of the splits to add transitions but not all of them.
4. Now split a video and undo the split. This is where I experience the problem. The video where the split was is no longer even the same clip. In its place is another clip that was from later down the main track. It may or may not require the particular video split to be overlapped the previous one in transition. This is all it takes for me to experience the issue.

Unless I get an upgrade or a fix, I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER COREL PRODUCT AGAIN. That is after having been a LOYAL Corel user for 25 years of purchasing the CorelDraw Suite and over 13 years of using VS and various other products through the years.

[asik1]

1- we don't work for corel and if you stop using it it's just fine with us.
2- If you could show us screen capture of the issue we might understand it better but I don't think we can help.
3-my 2c is to set auto save to 1min.

[tletter]

I am bleeping sick of VideoStudio 2020 and I want a free upgrade to a version that won't ruin the various projects I am working on ... This makes my video editing hobby (of creating custom music videos and remixes) impossible to do.

Why be sick as there are alternative NLEs, some of which have free versions, e.g. Resolve.

I want to go back to VS 2017 ... VS 2017 STILL uses the old API (Application Programming Interface) for opening files which is inexcusable

VS 2017 never existed so perhaps you are referring to X10. How does which API that is being used to open a VSP affect your user experience?

It's strange that your complaining about using an old API, when your profile lists your operating system as Windows 7 Professional!

I was surprised not to see any other post about this problem because of its prevalence on my system.

Yours maybe an edge case that others never encounter.

Now split a video and undo the split ... The video where the split was is no longer even the same clip.

If you split a clip and immediately undo the split, you're saying that the clip has changed to another one? Are you leaving blank spaces in your video track?

This is all it takes for me to experience the issue.

Suggest that you create a screen capture that illustrates your issue and post it so that those interested can see the issue.

Unless I get an upgrade or a fix, I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER COREL PRODUCT AGAIN.

You seem to be under the impression that your speaking to Corel, however, this forum isn't a direct channel to Corel. You might want to create a support ticket with your issue.

tletter
https://www.youtube.com/user/tletter

[excalibur1814]

Funny. The two people to reply to the OP are on my ignore list as they're generally not that nice. Usual.

I hear you OP. There are sometimes quirks/issues with CVS. You get used to them, knowing what 'not' to do when working away. You could always seriously consider another application, but you then have to obviously invest your own time learning (again).

If you've had other versions, I would actually suggest that you clean install/reset your computer. I know, I know, you shouldn't have to do that, but CVS is one application that I wouldn't really mix or update. I'd be asking for issues.

Good luck!

[mbusselberg]

The first two posters said something to the affect of this not being Corel. No really?
Except that most other forums like this have moderators that DO work for the host company who on occasion chime in. I also do have plans to contact Corel but previous attempts to do so have not been very helpful...

2- If you could show us screen capture of the issue we might understand it better but I don't think we can help.

A screen capture won't help understand the problem. I still don't understand the problem and I am viewing it on my computer. See my last comment below. Though it might help people understand where the inserted clips come from (the accumulation of removed clips at the end)

3-my 2c is to set auto save to 1min.

Good idea

VS 2017 never existed so perhaps you are referring to X10. How does which API that is being used to open a VSP affect your user experience?
It's strange that your complaining about using an old API, when your profile lists your operating system as Windows 7 Professional!

Did I mention I have used Corel products for 25 years? Who even remembers in the middle of a rant that they even have hardware/software specifications on their profile?

1. I currently use Windows 10.
2. The "updated API" came out with Windows Vista so Windows 7 definitely used the newer Open File/SaveFile dialog API.
3. The nature of what I do makes using the old open box very cumbersome when I open files. With the new API I can copy the path to a resource from the folder where it is into the "Open" dialog instead of having to take the time to open each folder individually.

EDIT: And before you go telling me to use "drag and drop", that doesn't work when the reason I need to use the dialogs to begin with is because of resource relocation that affects multiple projects (changing out drives, adding new ones). I have a fairly complex collection of video clips.

Yours maybe an edge case that others never encounter.

Yes... I acknowledged this in my OP: "Perhaps it is because I don't throw away scraps until the end." Later, I explain what that means.

If you split a clip and immediately undo the split, you're saying that the clip has changed to another one? Are you leaving blank spaces in your video track?

No. I am talking about the MAIN track. You can't leave blank spaces in that. And YES, that is exactly what I am saying. The clip "changes" to another one. This is why it is so confusing, disconcerting, and project breaking. I often can't find the clip I was trying to change without spending an inordinate amount of time. I can't undo it either because it is Undo that causes the problem (hitting undo a second time actually makes it more difficult to sort out what happened because a second clip gets inserted rather than undoing). My only guess as to what might be happening (mentioned in the OP) is because once I saved the oddity just after it happened, and was able to go back to a save from just before I attempted the change to compare before and after to see where the clip came from. It seemed to be from the buildup of unused clips that always trial my videos while I work on them (they accumulate from edits).