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Shimmering Output

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I'm using VS 64-bit Ultimate version 23.3.0.646

I can't find a setting that will address the gnarly shimmering that I see on my output files. I can pull the original file in from one of several different sources (Panasonic HD Cam, Bushnell Trailcam, Browning Trailcan) and no matter how I import it or "Share" it, I get the ugly shimmering. The original files play just fine with no shimmer.

I've tried importing the files with and without accepting the offer to match project settings to the first file. I've also tried both the standard MPEG-4 output and the Match to Project Settings output options.

Here are the raw output specs from the original files I'm struggling with:

Raw output from Panasonic HD Cam:
NTSC double (60 fps)
MPEG Transport-Stream Files
24 bits, 1920 x 1080, 59.94 fps
Frame-based
(HDMV-NTSC), 16:9
H.264 Video
Video data rate: Variable (Max. 25000 kbps)
Audio data rate: 384 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio, 48 KHz, 2/0(L,R)

Raw output from Browning Trailcam:
NTSC double (60 fps)
MPEG-4 Files
24 bits, 1920 x 1080, 60 fps
Frame-based
H.264 High Profile Video: 40203 Kbps
44100 Hz, 16 Bit, Mono
LPCM Audio: 705 Kbps

Raw output from Bushnell Trailcam:
NTSC non-drop frame (30 fps)
MPEG-4 Files
24 bits, 1280 x 720, 30.007 fps
Frame-based
H.264 High Profile Video: 8135 Kbps
44100 Hz, 16 Bit, Mono
LPCM Audio: 705 Kbps

As an example, I'll link you a small project output file from my Bushnell Trailcam. I imported this into VS without telling it to inherit the settings from the original file, and then I used the standard VS MPEG-4 output to create this file.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jT49Lh ... sp=sharing

Any insight on what setting I need to tweak would be greatly appreciated.
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Why not upload the "raw" unrendered file instead of your processed file?
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Thanks for your interest. Here it is.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JkMJcd ... sp=sharing
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From your original upload, the shimmering is apparent, however your "raw" file plays without any apparent shimmer in VS 2021 (24.1.0.299), did changed the project settings to match the video's properties
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I don't see any shimmer when I play the newly imported video within the VS application. The shimmer appears in the output files.

I import the file into a new project, then I just go to the "Share" tab and output in MPEG-4 format, or "Use project settings," and even if I use the AVC/H.264 output option I get the shimmering.
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RobertOZ wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:21 am From your original upload, the shimmering is apparent, however your "raw" file plays without any apparent shimmer in VS 2021 (24.1.0.299), did changed the project settings to match the video's properties
I neglected to answer your question about the initial import. - I've tried it both ways and get the same result.

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Selected "Share" Same as Project Settings, Properties as your Raw output from Bushnell Trailcam: above, rendered video plays without any shimmer
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If I check the box to change project settings to match 1st file imported, and then go to Share, I have the option to select "Same as Project Settings." If I do so my output shimmers just like the sample.

If I don't choose to change the project settings to match when I import the file I don't even get the option to use project settings when I go to Share.
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Like Robert I have rendered the video to various options, Same as First Video Clip and Same as Project Settings with no problems.
Rendering to AVCHD did not seem as good a quality but no where near the shimmering you see.

The sample provided from the Bushnell camera was using 24 bits, 1280 x 720, 30.007 fps, a variable frame rate.
If you use each video in turn in a new project do you still have issues with those.
I guess I am asking if the Bushnell video is the problem.

Same as Project Settings…. those should always be available irrespective of any other settings, strange that you say they are not available. Same as First Video Clip is different and I was surprised they were available when using the variable frame rate?

Hardware Acceleration options……..
I believe there has been some issues when using Intel or NVDIA, I am using AMD so cannot test those options.
Can you try deselecting all Acceleration options from (F6) Preferences – Performance tab
Then go to Edit tab and set Resampling Quality to Best.

Does that improve the quality of the rendered file?

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1- The source do have 'noise' all over
2 Rendering to WMV was better then to MP4 in VS2021, but this I keep saying for the last 8 years.
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I have exactly the same problem with videostudio 2021 ultimate: if I have pictures in my project on which I put pan-and-zoom - the output result (after sharing mp4 or mov) are shimering or snowing.
I can share only to wmv
Tried all solutions given by the customer service - but no result.
By the way - I had no problem with the former edition of videostudio ultimate x10
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grandchildren2 wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:13 pm I have exactly the same problem with videostudio 2021 ultimate: if I have pictures in my project on which I put pan-and-zoom - the output result (after sharing mp4 or mov) are shimering or snowing.
I can share only to wmv
Tried all solutions given by the customer service - but no result.
By the way - I had no problem with the former edition of videostudio ultimate x10
Can you share one of your original video clips,
You would have to upload to a sharing site, DropBox, Google, One Drive.
Provide a share link / download link
We can try to replicate your problem

If you insert the original video to a new project, create a Smart Package, zip that folder to upload, we would also see your project and settings / properties you are working with.
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Thanks for your prompt answer.
I am enclosing a link to a very short sample video which I created with pan and zoom. Shared with mp4 1920x1080
Please note - that with vs ultimate x10 - I had no problem at all sharing with mp4. Same computer, same conditions.
If I shared mp4 without pan and zoom - than no problem at all.
Hope you may help solve the problem, or at least - see that this new edition has a bug to be fixed
Thanks a lot
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EifR2X ... sp=sharing
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lata wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 5:35 pm If you insert the original video to a new project, create a Smart Package, zip that folder to upload, we would also see your project and settings / properties you are working with.
Your video appears to be a slide show containing still images, we need to see / test the original files.

Can you create a Smart Package of your images with pan & zoom applied.

Provide that folder so we can check your settings
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grandchildren2 wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 7:36 pm Thanks for your prompt answer.
I am enclosing a link to a very short sample video which I created with pan and zoom. Shared with mp4 1920x1080
Please note - that with vs ultimate x10 - I had no problem at all sharing with mp4. Same computer, same conditions.
If I shared mp4 without pan and zoom - than no problem at all.
Hope you may help solve the problem, or at least - see that this new edition has a bug to be fixed
Thanks a lot
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EifR2X ... sp=sharing
I doubt very much that there is a bug!

The video that you supplied is not 1920x1080 but very low quality: 640x360 and a bit rate of 596kbps. No wonder you get shimmering.
We need the Smart Package to realyy see what you are doing
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