Are you ready for 14 Oct. 2025?

[RobertOZ]

I thought that I may be missing TPM Management, but that shows as being installed and ready for use

[Ken Berry]

Robert -- regarding the msg about not being able to support Win 11, I found this:

Will My PC Run Windows 11?
However, not all Windows 10 PCs will get Windows 11. While Windows 10 had broad backward compatibility reaching back to Windows 7 PCs, the system requirements for Windows 11 are much more strict. You will need a PC with UEFI firmware that is Secure Boot capable and a version 2.0 TPM module chip, for example. You will also need “a compatible 64-bit processor or System on a Chip (SoC)”. 32-bit PCs are out of luck, although even many 64-bit PCs won’t get the update.

To check if your PC will get Windows 11, download and run Microsoft’s PC Health Check app. If you have disabled Secure Boot or the TPM in your PC’s UEFI firmware settings, there’s a good chance you’ll see a “This PC Can’t Run Windows 11” error message. You may need to re-enable both before the tool will say your PC is compatible.

That was in https://www.howtogeek.com/737031/window ... ts-new-os/ which also has a link to joining the insider program.

[RobertOZ]

Yes, that's the strange part Ken, I have boot to UEFI enabled and TPM installed and ready, checking goggle, there are hundreds of complaints that their more than adequate PCs are showing as not being suitable for Win 11, suggesting that the PC Health check is corrupt, so will wait and see what happens later in the year

[Ken Berry]

Yes, that's probably all we can do. I have to decide whether I want to join the Insider program. I don't really want to install what is essentially a Beta version of Win 11 with its inevitable shortcomings, on my main computer. But it is the computer with the best possibility of running Win 11. On the other hand, it currently has Win 10 Pro on it, so I also wonder if I could run Win 11 on it in the Win 10 sandbox....

[tletter]

there are hundreds of complaints that their more than adequate PCs are showing as not being suitable for Win 11

A major shortcoming of the PC Health Check tool is that it simply declares that "This PC can't run Windows 11" without flagging which of the minimum system requirements is unmet. Hopefully MS will upgrade the tool and make it more didactic.

tletter
https://www.youtube.com/user/tletter

[Ken Berry]

Hmm... I just clicked on the desktop icon to start the MS checking app, and it reinstalled itself. When it opened, it now told me my computer did not have a processor which would support Win 11. The processor is a 7th generation Intel Core i7 and digging down into what MS says are compatible processors, I see that they must be at least 8th generation. So that rules me out of using Windows 11 in any case... I can't imagine the thought of having to buy a new computer to run Win 11 will be welcomed by a very large proportion of the world's computer owners!

[RobertOZ]

The actual requirements for Win 11 are reasonably low, most modern computers would far in access exceed those requirements, yet a 7th Generation Intel i7 is not suitable, that's ludicrous

[Ken Berry]

Yes, I can only agree. At least three of the other computers on my network easily meet all the other requirements for Win 11, apart from the age of their processors. All currently run Win 10 with no problems, with two of them, apart from my main computer, also using the Pro version (for what that's worth). But at the end of the day, none of my computers will be upgradeable to Win 11 if MS sticks to this one requirement. I can certainly afford to buy a new computer -- no trouble at all. But my current ones all do what is required of them already. So buying a new one just to get Win 11 seems a little silly, to say the very least!

[Davidk]

I passed a precis of these remarks to my guru mate. His commentary on that was:
"My guess is that the higher spec is because the Insider versions are full of debugging code and require more grunt to do the same features as the production/retail version.. It does not even get released until sometime in October and I expect that the assessment tool will be revised many many times before the official release date.. So, October 2022 is the time to aim for adopting Windows 11 - after the second major update."

And this morning (29 June AEST) the windows pages are citing a clarification from MS: win11 will be released late 2021, but it won't be available for update via the windows update pages until mid-2022. Presumably, that's so MS can get the bugs in the new hardware builds on retail sale (usually timed for the christmas US holiday period) out before the majority (?) with older hardware get their hands on it.

Updated
One major issue seems to be secure boot: in win10 and prior, you can disable it. From the sound of the releases, that won't be possible in win11. I found 2 articles related to secure boot:
1. what it's for and how it works: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windo ... ot-process
Note that it requires specific hardware/BIOS-level items to work.
2. how to disable secure boot for win10: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/window ... ecure-boot
Note that this mechanism involves things like display adapters which may or may not be compatible with secure boot.

I researched secure boot at one time - my BIOS is UEFI capable, but that TPM chip has to be on the motherboard for it to work, so if your hardware doesn't have it, your attempt to implement secure boot will fail.

[asik1]

I never looked into secure boot until you turn the light to it.
I'll check my bios later.
*My i5-6600 in a no no for 11.

[Ken Berry]

No asik, it may be an i5 but it's the 6 in 66 which follows it, which Win 11 doesn't like. In my case, I've an i7, but it's followed by another 7, and again Win 11 doesn't like it!

[asik1]

If W11 doesn't like my system, that's fine as I'll properly wont like W11 either.
Lets talk again at VS 2027 if it will run our W10... or on David's W7.

[tletter]

"My guess is that the higher spec is because the Insider versions are full of debugging code and require more grunt to do the same features as the production/retail version.

It has naught to do with "grunt", as an Intel Celeron N4020 @ 1.10GHz with a PassMark score of 1622 is listed to run Windows 11, whilst an Intel Core i7-3632QM @ 2.20GHz with a PassMark score of 4577 isn't.

Clearly, the issue is security, specifically MS appears to want to eliminate threats such as side-channel attacks which require CPU hardware mitigations that are not part of older generations of CPUs.

tletter
https://www.youtube.com/user/tletter

[Davidk]

I thinks the main issue is, or will become, that TPM chip necessary for secure boot.
My best current system has a UEFI BIOS, and a TPM connector on the motherboard. So on the surface it should be suitable for win11. But Gigabyte says that it's just too old to support for windows 11. When posing my query I did not mention win11, but the firm did in it's reply, so I guess they are getting a lot of similar questions right now.
And creating a TPM chip for windows 11 means cooperation between the hardware vendor and MS, to generate the signed start files for the OS, which on the MS spec would have to be created in non-erasable memory of some form to usable in the PC. So even tho your hardware might seem suitable, if the manufacturer and MS are not going to support it together for the TPM chip - buying a new PC is the only option. Even if they do cooperate and there is a method for creating such a TPM chip for a specific set of hardware and win11 version, how would it get to the user and in use etc? And what happens with OS updates? Which means that win10 is probably going to have a longer life than many suspected 3 weeks ago.

[RobertOZ]

Have Microsoft changed the requirements for Win 11, there is no mention of which Generation of processors are now suitable, all it now states is 1 Ghz or faster and 4 Gb ram

https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/windows ... ifications