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how do i get a wb with corel psp

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i wanted to try the wb feature in psp. normally i just stay with the wb adjusted in my camera. but this time i decided to use a mennon grey card. i took a quick shot of a painting with a grey card.

i went to the edit tab and when i click on adjust/white balance the popup opened which as you can see is not the full popup menu.
i was expecting an eye dropper or something so that i could point to the neutral grey but there isn't one.

i'm not supposed to slide the temp/hue sliders am i? because that's stupid

i also went to the adjust tab and there was no image nor could i open a file as that option was all greyed out

i looked at a tutorial and all i got was some guy sliding the two sliders and that was no good for what i want

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I can't tell if that's a missing feature on PSP X6 (don't have it, but I doubt it) or if it's a result of having enlarged your system fonts beyond the point PSP is happy with, but that dialog should have a Preview pane at the top, expandable via the Preview option on the left, showing Before and After previews. Like so: http://prntscr.com/yygiu3

You can then use the Before pane up there to sample the color of your gray card, and the rest should be adjusted automatically.

Another method for auto color-correction is to add a levels or curves adjustment layer, then in its Properties click on the Color button, on the right side. Alternatively, click on any of the 3 dropper buttons at the bottom of the dialog (under Colors), then in the Before pane click on a black, gray or white pixel, respectively: https://prnt.sc/yyi457

If you want more control, this video may help: https://youtu.be/gdP3YVlrMiM . It color matches an external subject, but the tools they show can be applied to the same image as well. One of them lets you define 3 colors to be remapped to black, gray and white.

There is also this video: https://youtu.be/QhPteAOSe3U . IMO the first part gets needlessly too technical for defining the absolute black, gray and white points in the photo (since you used a gray card, you have your gray point, then you can use your eyes to sample the black and white). However, they also use the Curves method I mentioned above (once with black point, and once with gray point) and the Black & White Points tool presented in the 1st video above (they do it to compare the results).
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migf1 wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:47 am I can't tell if that's a missing feature on PSP X6 (don't have it, but I doubt it) or if it's a result of having enlarged your system fonts beyond the point PSP is happy with, but that dialog should have a Preview pane at the top, expandable via the Preview option on the left, showing Before and After previews. Like so: http://prntscr.com/yygiu3

You can then use the Before pane up there to sample the color of your gray card, and the rest should be adjusted automatically.

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yeah, i changed the display settings on my screen and now the whole menu appears. thx

i pullled up the preview pane as you said, so i did some stuff.

the eyedropper "works" on EVERY part of the painting except the grey card. i assume this means the grey card and psp's smart select both agree on what is neutral?

i find the enlarge tool annoying as i have to continually click the +...is there an easier way to enlarge? that way i could enlarge to the grey card
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Re: how do i get a wb with corel psp

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miltk wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:21 pm [snip]

the eyedropper "works" on EVERY part of the painting except the grey card. i assume this means the grey card and psp's smart select both agree on what is neutral?
Yeah, I think that's the reason. And if the gray card is indeed pure gray, then the photo is already balanced (the one you showed on your initial post above, is not.... it has a dominant blue tint all over it).
i find the enlarge tool annoying as i have to continually click the +...is there an easier way to enlarge? that way i could enlarge to the grey card
Not sure if it's possible in PSP X6, cause I see only an X icon at the top right corner, but later versions allow you to maximize the dialog... if you look at my screenshot above, you can see the maximize icon, next to the X icon.
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migf1 wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:35 pm
miltk wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:21 pm [snip]

the eyedropper "works" on EVERY part of the painting except the grey card. i assume this means the grey card and psp's smart select both agree on what is neutral?
Yeah, I think that's the reason. And if the gray card is indeed pure gray, then the photo is already balanced (the one you showed on your initial post above, is not.... it has a dominant blue tint all over it).
i find the enlarge tool annoying as i have to continually click the +...is there an easier way to enlarge? that way i could enlarge to the grey card
Not sure if it's possible in PSP X6, cause I see only an X icon at the top right corner, but later versions allow you to maximize the dialog... if you look at my screenshot above, you can see the maximize icon, next to the X icon.
i don't see your screenshot
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They are in the form of links in my previous post, you need to click on them... the one in question is this: https://prnt.sc/yygiu3
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Do
View / Customize / Commands / Unused Commands
BW points.jpg
and drag the Black and White Points tool inside a toolbar on the workspace.

Use the Black and White tool like this:
BW tool.jpg
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Jean-Luc wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:12 pm Do
View / Customize / Commands / Unused Commands
BW points.jpg
and drag the Black and White Points tool inside a toolbar on the workspace.

Use the Black and White tool like this:
BW tool.jpg
Click on each screen capture to see in full size.
sweet. EXACTLY what i was looking for
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Smart Photo Fix also has the ability to do B/G/W point adjustment. Adjust -> Smart Photo Fix. It's a full-screen dialog. You just click on the black, grey, and white points in the Before section ( no need to define which is which PSP will just infer it ) and then you can perform additional adjustments before accepting the final result. I got very similar results to what Jean-Luc posted.
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LeviFiction wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:00 pm Smart Photo Fix also has the ability to do B/G/W point adjustment. Adjust -> Smart Photo Fix. It's a full-screen dialog. You just click on the black, grey, and white points in the Before section ( no need to define which is which PSP will just infer it ) and then you can perform additional adjustments before accepting the final result. I got very similar results to what Jean-Luc posted.
Exact. And the additional parameters to tweak are a plus.
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miltk wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:44 pm
Jean-Luc wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:12 pm Do
View / Customize / Commands / Unused Commands
BW points.jpg
and drag the Black and White Points tool inside a toolbar on the workspace.

Use the Black and White tool like this:
BW tool.jpg
Click on each screen capture to see in full size.
sweet. EXACTLY what i was looking for
thx
Umm, that's exactly the same tool showcased in those videos I pointed you to.

Regarding the Smart Photo Fix, does anyone know what the extra sample points do? The tool allows you to add many sample points (and remove them with Alt+Click) but it's not clear to me how they work. The note suggests using just 1 sample point (black, gray or white).
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migf1 wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:21 pm

Regarding the Smart Photo Fix, does anyone know what the extra sample points do? The tool allows you to add many sample points (and remove them with Alt+Click) but it's not clear to me how they work. The note suggests using just 1 sample point (black, gray or white).
I don't know but I just did some playing and added extra control points and I was getting results similar to a curves adjustment.
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EDIT: Kathy_9 got to it before me.

No idea, it's a black box. Making a lot of assumptions, I guess it just takes in all of the points and then chooses the best ones that fit each of the 3 categories. At least that's how I would program it. Having never programmed a white balance function before, though, I have no idea if it would be a good idea to map more than those three points like a curves function with multiple nodes.
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Yeah, it's a bit confusing. The main reason I rarely use it. Btw, has anyone else the problem of the context sensitive help not working? It always goes to the 1st page of the docs. I'm pretty sure it used to work in earlier versions, though I don't remember when it stopped... or when I did something that screwed it up.
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Context sensitive help working okay for me.
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