HDR to improve scanned images
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HDR to improve scanned images
This is not a request for advice but rather a report of a technique I stumbled across that may be of help to other PSP users.
Late last year I volunteered to digitise a set of 78 black and white prints of views and houses taken in our village in the summer of 1977. The objective in digitising the prints was to make them accessible to local residents in a convenient fashion, so avoiding damage to, and loss of, the originals.
The prints, approximately 9 inches by 7 (~23cm by 18 cm) were of good quality though of high contrast. I think the original negatives were 35mm film but were not available. Looking at the prints with a magnifying glass some detail, such as leaves in hedgerows, could be seen but the intense whites, of e.g. the sky, were burnt out.
Initial test scans to decide on resolution and settings on my Epson XP-540 gave reasonable results but, even on a calibrated display screen, there was loss of detail in the dark areas. Different prints needed different settings for the best output. I tried many different adjustments in PSP to cope with the high contrast but again each one needed something different.
What did work well and consistently, though, was using HDR. I scanned each print 3 times - recommended setting, brightness +50%, brightness -50% then ran it through the HDR process. The output had a much better appearance with far more detail in the dark areas. The workflow was relative simple. Scanning 3 times was a bit laborious but HDR conversion could be done in batch mode. PSP was cleaver enough to group the triplets automatically, possibly by the time stamps. Of course, image alignment wan't an issue.
Each image was reviewed and had a description and geotag location written to the EXIF data.
I kept the 16 bit tif output of the HDR (though I guess the resolution is nearer 10 bit) as HDR displays will come in, no doubt. The tifs were copied to 12megapixel jpegs and also 1.2 megapixel jpegs, the latter for use on a village web site - the smaller resolution being more than adequate for a PC display as well as saving space and giving faster loads.
A further change for the online version was to write a PSP script to put a white strip at the bottom of each image and write on it the description from the EXIF data. Again this was a batch job.
Late last year I volunteered to digitise a set of 78 black and white prints of views and houses taken in our village in the summer of 1977. The objective in digitising the prints was to make them accessible to local residents in a convenient fashion, so avoiding damage to, and loss of, the originals.
The prints, approximately 9 inches by 7 (~23cm by 18 cm) were of good quality though of high contrast. I think the original negatives were 35mm film but were not available. Looking at the prints with a magnifying glass some detail, such as leaves in hedgerows, could be seen but the intense whites, of e.g. the sky, were burnt out.
Initial test scans to decide on resolution and settings on my Epson XP-540 gave reasonable results but, even on a calibrated display screen, there was loss of detail in the dark areas. Different prints needed different settings for the best output. I tried many different adjustments in PSP to cope with the high contrast but again each one needed something different.
What did work well and consistently, though, was using HDR. I scanned each print 3 times - recommended setting, brightness +50%, brightness -50% then ran it through the HDR process. The output had a much better appearance with far more detail in the dark areas. The workflow was relative simple. Scanning 3 times was a bit laborious but HDR conversion could be done in batch mode. PSP was cleaver enough to group the triplets automatically, possibly by the time stamps. Of course, image alignment wan't an issue.
Each image was reviewed and had a description and geotag location written to the EXIF data.
I kept the 16 bit tif output of the HDR (though I guess the resolution is nearer 10 bit) as HDR displays will come in, no doubt. The tifs were copied to 12megapixel jpegs and also 1.2 megapixel jpegs, the latter for use on a village web site - the smaller resolution being more than adequate for a PC display as well as saving space and giving faster loads.
A further change for the online version was to write a PSP script to put a white strip at the bottom of each image and write on it the description from the EXIF data. Again this was a batch job.
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Re: HDR to improve scanned images
Clever! 
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Re: HDR to improve scanned images
Serendipity, I think.
The histograms of the 16 bit tiff "HDR" scans were nice and smooth - unlike those where I tried to adjust the contrast etc. to bring out the detail.
A typical example:The washed out sky shows up as the high count of white pixels to the right.
The JPEG histogram is a bit more ragged - presumably due to the compromise of moving from 16 to 8 bits per pixel. If you look at the low res image attached, there is good detail in the darker areas and the shiplap cladding of the mill is distinct. Unfortunately I don't have the scan triplets now and I have handed the original prints back to the village archivist.
The histograms of the 16 bit tiff "HDR" scans were nice and smooth - unlike those where I tried to adjust the contrast etc. to bring out the detail.
A typical example:The washed out sky shows up as the high count of white pixels to the right.
The JPEG histogram is a bit more ragged - presumably due to the compromise of moving from 16 to 8 bits per pixel. If you look at the low res image attached, there is good detail in the darker areas and the shiplap cladding of the mill is distinct. Unfortunately I don't have the scan triplets now and I have handed the original prints back to the village archivist.
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Re: HDR to improve scanned images
Could you post the final image, after HDR applied?
I observed in your Epson-540 scanner specifications that it is not the best scanner for such work: CIS sensor and unknown Dmin/Dmax value.
https://techgearoid.com/scanners/what-i ... mic-range/
http://www.how-ocr-works.com/scanners/scanners.html
Your workaround is a good idea.
I observed in your Epson-540 scanner specifications that it is not the best scanner for such work: CIS sensor and unknown Dmin/Dmax value.
https://techgearoid.com/scanners/what-i ... mic-range/
http://www.how-ocr-works.com/scanners/scanners.html
Your workaround is a good idea.
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It's a 28MB file so here is a linkJean-Luc wrote:Could you post the final image, after HDR applied?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/d52ajaxcwam1e ... 3.tif?dl=0
Just to avoind any confusion, the posted picture of the mill was a JPEG derived from the 16 bit tif file, not one of the initial scans.
It's what what I have - used normally for home-office purposes! I wasn't going to buy another for just the project. I did consider setting up a jig to take photos with my DSLR but reflections from the glossy prints could have been a problem.Jean-Luc wrote:I observed in your Epson-540 scanner specifications that it is not the best scanner for such work: CIS sensor and unknown Dmin/Dmax value.
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I asked for the final image because I thought the one you published was not the final. I don't see any detail in the sky. Was the original print faded?
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Re: HDR to improve scanned images
As I mentioned in my original postJean-Luc wrote:I asked for the final image because I thought the one you published was not the final. I don't see any detail in the sky. Was the original print faded?
Some of the original prints were close to "soot & snow".The prints, approximately 9 inches by 7 (~23cm by 18 cm) were of good quality though of high contrast. I think the original negatives were 35mm film but were not available. Looking at the prints with a magnifying glass some detail, such as leaves in hedgerows, could be seen but the intense whites, of e.g. the sky, were burnt out.
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Oops, I missed that information.Andy2011 wrote: the intense whites, of e.g. the sky, were burnt out.
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Re: HDR to improve scanned images
Excellent detail in that image on Dropbox. Loved it!Andy2011 wrote:It's a 28MB file so here is a linkJean-Luc wrote:Could you post the final image, after HDR applied?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/d52ajaxcwam1e ... 3.tif?dl=0
It's what what I have - used normally for home-office purposes! I wasn't going to buy another for just the project. I did consider setting up a jig to take photos with my DSLR but reflections from the glossy prints could have been a problem.
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Re: HDR to improve scanned images
Yes, there is certainly more detail visible on the screen than could be seen in the original print under normal viewing conditions.JoeB wrote:Excellent detail in that image on Dropbox. Loved it!
I didn't think about it at the time but stacking 3 pictures under HDR could (depending on the algorithm PSP's HDR uses) reduce some scanner sensor noise, though probably just in the mid tones. I haven't done the maths but my gut feeling is it would be no better than something of the order of 1/(square root(n)) where n is number of images. The HDR process could well produce a weighted average of each pixel from the source images based on (local?) surrounding intense blacks/whites. Conversely, the process could increase apparent noise in the very dark areas. Perhaps the optimum would be to do several scans at each setting, average each setting group then do HDR on the 3 groups. Life's too short! Space and finances permitting, a better scanner is the answer.
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