4K can VS cope!

[garjobo123]

Hello there

Straight to the point, hopefully some kinds souls can provide me with much needed wisdom.

I am due to purchase a new camcorder, 4k type - nothing special, panasonic HC-VX1. My question is, 4k..can videostudio handle it. I havent purchased the latest version, i think i am on version 10...i downloaded a trial of version 11 and ( along same lines as others have said ) appears bugs in it...bit annoying.

NOW - to save you the post - im well aware could depend on my computer........so, thoughts welcome...4k....in general works ok? or does it downgrade footage....any particular settings.

SO - thoughts welcome. ALSO, any thoughts on perhaps the better camcorder to get - which will allow footage to be edited better. I say this because ive read, the panasonic i have my eye on...4k and all is fine but read that HD footage is not even as good as a camcorder 7yrs ago!!....hence my concern...IF editing on VS....if i edit with HD footage may end up worse results.

[asik1]

What type of projects you are after ?
and your system?

I don't do 4K, but one thing I can tell you it will not run as hot knife thru butter.

[canuck]

Hello there

Straight to the point, hopefully some kinds souls can provide me with much needed wisdom.

I am due to purchase a new camcorder, 4k type - nothing special, panasonic HC-VX1. My question is, 4k..can videostudio handle it. I havent purchased the latest version, i think i am on version 10...i downloaded a trial of version 11 and ( along same lines as others have said ) appears bugs in it...bit annoying.

NOW - to save you the post - im well aware could depend on my computer........so, thoughts welcome...4k....in general works ok? or does it downgrade footage....any particular settings.

SO - thoughts welcome. ALSO, any thoughts on perhaps the better camcorder to get - which will allow footage to be edited better. I say this because ive read, the panasonic i have my eye on...4k and all is fine but read that HD footage is not even as good as a camcorder 7yrs ago!!....hence my concern...IF editing on VS....if i edit with HD footage may end up worse results.

Your post is very confusing! Exactly what VS program do you have? There is no "version 10" or "version 11". Please give the full name of the programs

What does "does it downgrade footage" mean? Of course you can "downgrade footage" - it all depends on the output settings your use.
I don't know where you read that "read that HD footage is not even as good as a camcorder 7yrs ago!!" Whoever wrote that is talking nonsense!
In general VS 2018 or 2019 can handle 4k video from any camcorder. Using VS you can create output video "identical" to the source video.

[garjobo123]

Thank you both for your replies. Appreciate it because am keen to work with 4k footage. My PC specs are below. Im a novice in the sense that i have used Videostudio for well over a decade - and make little videos / hobby. But increasingly have become more and more fustrated with VS editing. Slowing down/jumpy even when using 1080p footage- yes tried smartrender etc. I 'just about' get the results...but back in the pre-1080 good ole' days - VS just seemed a bit more stable/ my PC able to cope ( an older PC ) .

LENOVO PC
INTEL CORE ( TM ) i7 -6700CPU @ 340ghz 3.41ghz
Installed RAM 16 GB
64 BIT OPERATING SYSTEM X64 BASED PROCESSOR

( would LOVE to know what you think to my PC and whether any specific recommendations - more RAM? - would improve things? - Certainly 'jerky' when i come to edit footage a lot of the time. Although it renders/plays ok..just when editing - trying to put in a 'merge' between two shots for example...often video is akward to know what the overall effect is like...only once renders do you get to see the footage smooth if you know what i mean.

SO - to answer your questions.
You said 'it WONT run like a hot knife through butter' - damn and blast!! thats a downer in this day and age!!! Solution better PC specs. Keep 2018 VS..upgrade to VS2019?

CANUCK - thanks for your post - sorry being confusing. Hopefully straightened things up now with PC specs and established im using 2018 ( not sure what i meant with Version 9...i was thinking of Ulead days!! )

To clarify - I read from a 'review/forum' regarding panasonic camcorder ( impressed overall with it ) that..the camcorder records 4k. However, if you put it onto HD mode ( naturally lesser quality / and you can capture more on your SD card ) the overall quality of that HD footage is the same as a camcorder ( I have myself ) the panasonic 700 ( which dates back about 8yrs ). They went into details a little...but it is a little worring - buying a new camcorder...wanting 4k..expecting my PC VS not to run it properly...i can just imagine ( having being a long user of VS...can be bloody fustrating! )

Advice on above more than welcome.

[lata]

Hi
First if your timeline playback is a little slow and stuttering you should make sure that you have enabled Smart Proxy and that the proxy files have been created
And yes the final render should look better when played on our media players compared to the project playback.

If you wish to test 4K before purchasing your camera-- you could convert your 1920 x 1080 video from the pana 700 to 4k.
Then you can try editing the 4K video clips to see how the program and your pc copes, again you may need to use Smart Proxy.

There is a batch convert option that will convert your files, of course the conversion will take a while.
These are typical 4K properties from my Sony camera, I assume a Pana camcorder would also record to Mpeg4 with similar properties,
The pana camera may also give the option of 50P

MPEG-4 Files
24 bits, 3840 x 2160, 25 fps
Frame-based
H.264 High Profile Video: 59998 Kbps
48000 Hz, 16 Bit, Stereo
LPCM Audio: 768 Kbps

Oh I also read a report that said Panasonic had reduced the quality of the HD video to make the 4K in comparison look even better, I cannot believe they would do that.

[pepegota]

I have no problems with VS and 4k, 360 video. A powerful computer and complimentary software are required Now, with 8k, 360 video around the corner it's a must. If VS can handle 360, 4k it should work with the Panny unless there are camera-software related issues. You can download 4k video from You Tube and give it a try.
If you want, I can sent you a short 4k test video from the cloud?

[asik1]

4K from you-tube is not original raw stuff.

[pepegota]

But, you can see if it works therand if it does it, may work with your Panny, better than nothing.

[tletter]

( would LOVE to know what you think to my PC and whether any specific recommendations - more RAM? - would improve things?

Your system is powerful enough as is to edit and render 4K video although a SSD would help if you don't have one. Ensure that you're using Smart Proxy whilst editing.

You said 'it WONT run like a hot knife through butter' - damn and blast!! thats a downer in this day and age!!! Solution better PC specs. Keep 2018 VS..upgrade to VS2019?

VS doesn't fully leverage a high end system's CPU or GPU. Upgrading to VS2019 won't help address this and may introduce other problems whilst editing (search this forum for details).

They went into details a little...but it is a little worring - buying a new camcorder...wanting 4k..expecting my PC VS not to run it properly.

Your system should handle 4K assuming that you have a 4K monitor to view it on. There are websites where you can download real 4K clips, not YouTube's down-rezed 4K clips, and see how your system edits and renders them. I use VS to edit and render 4K clips from both Sony and Panasonic cameras.

tletter
https://www.youtube.com/user/tletter

[garjobo123]

Thank you for your feedback.

Ok so it appears everyone in agreement the latest version cannot even be given away!! fair play.

And...I...think..im aware then that my GeForce 970 is 'ok' to handle editing 4k etc but to improve my RAM perhaps from 16 to...well budget only allowing another 8bit. Make a difference? stick in 2 4 bits into the 2 slots? Kingston..or cheaper - recommendations?

As for SSD, yes it holds about 200 - enough for windows and VS and video clips..but it naturally fills ...so tend to move clips over into hardrives a lot...causes 're-linking' errors naturally in VS but then I tend to of finished the editing/rendering anyway.

SO - SSD's are pretty cheap..recommendations? say, a 500 one...and..i then replace my older SSD - reload 'windows (somehow! )...OR..do I just sitck another SSD drive into the slot - easy.

Once again, very grateful for your replies.

[tletter]

but to improve my RAM perhaps from 16 to...well budget only allowing another 8bit. Make a difference? stick in 2 4 bits into the 2 slots? Kingston..or cheaper - recommendations?

Adding more RAM may payoff if your use your system for other things whilst it's rendering but Kingston isn't the only game in town, e.g. Corsair, Samsung, etc.

SO - SSD's are pretty cheap..recommendations? say, a 500 one...and..i then replace my older SSD - reload 'windows (somehow! )...OR..do I just sitck another SSD drive into the slot - easy.

If you have room in your system for another drive, there is no reason to swap out your current SSD boot disk. Simply install the new drive into an empty bay and use it for storage. However, if you want to replace your boot drive, then it's straightforward as there is software available that will live clone a boot disk afterwhich you simply use the clone disk as the boot disk and your old boot disk as a data storage disk. A BIOS change maybe required.

The size of an additional drive is totally dependent on how the drive will be used - 512GB & 1TB SATAIII SSD are inexpensive these days. However, if your system and budget is capable, a NVMe M.2 SSD is preferred over a SATAIII SSD.

tletter
https://www.youtube.com/user/tletter

[elainejumpman]

SSD make your pc fast start and shutdown...and can save time to load your machine

[steenman]

I'm currently struggling with this. I'm using a Fujifilm X-H1 that produces some large 4K .mov files, that my VS just can't seem to handle. I just upgraded my system to Ryzen 5 3600 with 16 GB ram and bought a new videocard. Opted for 4 gb instead of 2 gb, as I read somewhere that was needed for 4K, but playback (the image that is) stops after a few seconds. I have tried all the settings for Smart Render and even moved everything to SSD. I have tried to convert to H265, but VS doesn't seem to want to either import or export in that format.