Can we duplicate this PSE effect in PSP?

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Can we duplicate this PSE effect in PSP?

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Malcolm the Old Sea Dog posted this:
Sunshine-950.jpg
then this:
Sunflower Sketch-950.jpg
He explained "Used Filters, Artistic, Poster Edges, This puts in the black lines. I then converted to black and white, I then picked new foreground colours and used the Paint bucket."

I don't know how to do that. I've gotten as far as
Sunshine B&W-950.jpg
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Re: Can we duplicate this PSE effect in PSP?

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This gives a similar result but can be modifies to maintain the black background
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hartpaul wrote:This gives a similar result but can be modifies to maintain the black background
http://psptricksandtips.blogspot.com/20 ... paint.html
Nice try and nice effect, but not what I was looking for.
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Re: Can we duplicate this PSE effect in PSP?

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The closest idea I have is to just do the steps of Posterize Edges.

1) Posterize (Effects -> Artistic Effects -> Posterize
2) Duplicate layer
3) Find edges to outline the edges of the image (Effects-> Artistic or Edges, Charcoal, Find Edges All, etc)
4) Set blend mode to Multiply to get rid of new white background
5) Merge

Then do black and white of some sort I like Black and white film, and then begin changing colors with the paint bucket tool. How flat it looks at the end depends on the amount of posterize you use. But most of the Find Edge effects create very solid normal lines. Not these half-dotted lines that Photoshop's Posterize Edges does.
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LeviFiction wrote:The closest idea I have is to just do the steps of Posterize Edges.

1) Posterize (Effects -> Artistic Effects -> Posterize
2) Duplicate layer
3) Find edges to outline the edges of the image (Effects-> Artistic or Edges, Charcoal, Find Edges All, etc)
4) Set blend mode to Multiply to get rid of new white background
5) Merge

Then do black and white of some sort I like Black and white film, and then begin changing colors with the paint bucket tool. How flat it looks at the end depends on the amount of posterize you use. But most of the Find Edge effects create very solid normal lines. Not these half-dotted lines that Photoshop's Posterize Edges does.
How much would you posterize? And where do you look for your edge-finding?
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Well, I ended up using the black pencil effect, but I got to it through the Effects Browser and picked the medium effect. Then I found the button to modify the effect. I left the details alone (50) but reduced the opacity to 20. I used the dropper to change the foreground to the surrounding gray, set the background to black, then hit the Color Changer tool, then saved the layer.
Sunshine drawing in PSP-small.jpg
There oughta be an easier way. I didn't duplicate the original effect, but close.
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Finally duplicated it: from the B&W picture, made an image-based mask, itself based on luminance. That gave me a black background, black lines and transparency in the flower. New raster layer under that. Raised the colors back to 16-bit, made a yellow foreground, and poured into that layer. That did it.
Sunshine B&Wto yellow-950.jpg
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And as a png this went into my icon software and made a fine icon:
Sunshine B&W to yellow - clipped&950.jpg
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ehume wrote:Finally duplicated it: from the B&W picture, made an image-based mask, itself based on luminance. That gave me a black background, black lines and transparency in the flower. New raster layer under that. Raised the colors back to 16-bit, made a yellow foreground, and poured into that layer. That did it.
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I've been following this thread since the beginning, trying to achieve the desired results on my own, but now I have to beg for help! Ehume, if you have the time, would you please post the steps your used, starting with the jpg image, on to creating the black and white image,all the way to the successful conclusion? I know where to find each effect used, but if there are settings involved please include those. I can get a pleasant approximation, but as you can see, I'm not getting the interior black edges. I think I must be using either too many of the possible steps you gave in your various replies or I've omitted something.

Many thanks for any response!

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LostNow wrote:
ehume wrote:Finally duplicated it: from the B&W picture, made an image-based mask, itself based on luminance. That gave me a black background, black lines and transparency in the flower. New raster layer under that. Raised the colors back to 16-bit, made a yellow foreground, and poured into that layer. That did it.
Sunshine B&Wto yellow-950.jpg
I've been following this thread since the beginning, trying to achieve the desired results on my own, but now I have to beg for help! Ehume, if you have the time, would you please post the steps your used, starting with the jpg image, on to creating the black and white image,all the way to the successful conclusion? I know where to find each effect used, but if there are settings involved please include those. I can get a pleasant approximation, but as you can see, I'm not getting the interior black edges. I think I must be using either too many of the possible steps you gave in your various replies or I've omitted something.

Many thanks for any response!

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Hm. I'm no expert, but I'll see what I remember. First, I converted the image to greyscale ("B&W"). Then I used the background eraser and tediously went around that circumference, clicking next to but not within the flower. I cannot paint because 1. I do not use an external videocard (dGPU) but the built-in Intel graphics, and 2. I can no longer do things smoothly; I must increasingly rely on the computer and its software. After doing the background erase around the entire flower, I was able to use the Magic Wand tool to select and delete the surround. All of this was necessary because in trials, if I simply added a mask layer based on image luminance, I would not capture the inner black lines; the result was bad.

Now, with the edges clear and the background deleted, I could add a mask layer based on image luminance. I can't remember if the mask was based on inverted image data -- you'll have to try it out and see. Now I had a transparent image. I could put a yellow layer underneath and only the flower showed it.

I don't remember doing anything special to make the black surround. But I did not save anything to show my work. Therefore a little re-creation: I opened an image of the flower (a png, with transparency). I then used the Magic Wand tool to select the space around the flower, then used the Flood Fill tool to make it black. The result is most satisfactory. You can probably get the same result from a white background (jpg) with the Magic Wand tool to select the space around the flower, then the Color Changer tool. I just tried that out and it works -- on jpg and not png. The Flood Fill tool works for png's.
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ehume wrote:Finally duplicated it: from the B&W picture, made an image-based mask, itself based on luminance. That gave me a black background, black lines and transparency in the flower. New raster layer under that. Raised the colors back to 16-bit, made a yellow foreground, and poured into that layer. That did it.
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I tried this again. It worked:
Explanation.jpg
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Thank you so much for replying, ehume! With some things clarified I am making progress, but still can't get those inner lines/edges. My image isn't as tidy as yours, either; I used a quick-and-dirty magic wand on the original to create a layer with the flower only. I may play with this more, but I wanted to let you know I appreciated your prompt help! Here's my latest effort.Thanks again!
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LostNow wrote:Thank you so much for replying, ehume! With some things clarified I am making progress, but still can't get those inner lines/edges. My image isn't as tidy as yours, either; I used a quick-and-dirty magic wand on the original to create a layer with the flower only. I may play with this more, but I wanted to let you know I appreciated your prompt help! Here's my latest effort.Thanks again!
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I now remember how I got rid of the frame: I cropped the square just inside it.
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