MF4 Will Not Allow Copying From DVD-VR To DVD-R???

etech6355
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Post by etech6355 »

I'm confused by your post. MF would not have burnt the dvd if it recognized any DRM licensing. So MF would have refused to burn the dvd at all.
The disc is unplayable on a standalone player if the original disc was created on the Pioneer. In other words, even though there is no "UDF-formated" error message, the patent infringement block is still embedded in the files, and prevents the disc from playing in set-top players, even though it will play on a computer.
How do you know this? Your dvd player will display a popup screen telling you there is a digital rights management issue. If the dvd plays on the computer but not a dvd player AND neither computer NOR the dvd player displays warnings my guess is the dvd type isn't compatible with your player.

You say the dvd won't play in your dvd player. What does it do? Any messages like bad format, bad disk etc? Are you trying to play the dvd's back in the dvd recorder or another dvd player?

Are you still using the Fast-Write Feature? The Fast-Write Feature is a known problem among all dvd recorders.
nyco_ork

Post by nyco_ork »

etech6355 wrote:I'm confused by your post. MF would not have burnt the dvd if it recognized any DRM licensing. So MF would have refused to burn the dvd at all.
The disc is unplayable on a standalone player if the original disc was created on the Pioneer. In other words, even though there is no "UDF-formated" error message, the patent infringement block is still embedded in the files, and prevents the disc from playing in set-top players, even though it will play on a computer.
How do you know this? Your dvd player will display a popup screen telling you there is a digital rights management issue. If the dvd plays on the computer but not a dvd player AND neither computer NOR the dvd player displays warnings my guess is the dvd type isn't compatible with your player.

You say the dvd won't play in your dvd player. What does it do? Any messages like bad format, bad disk etc? Are you trying to play the dvd's back in the dvd recorder or another dvd player?

Are you still using the Fast-Write Feature? The Fast-Write Feature is a known problem among all dvd recorders.
Take my word for it, this is what's happening. I didn't use the "create image" part of the copy feature to get the files on the HDD. I used the Windows file manager to copy the files directly.

You're right, MF did refuse to transfer the files either to a folder or an image. I put them in a folder using the file manager, I think at your suggestion (it's somewhere on this thread). Then I used the "burn disc from folder" option, which worked perfectly for Ulead-authored discs. It simply will not work for Pioneer-authored discs.

Yes, I use fast-write. As I've explained somewhere, on this recorder, at least, if you don't use fast-write you lose your chapter marks and the software replaces them with marks set at arbitrary points. In any case the only option other than fast-write is real-time, which is really pointless. I'm not going to spend that extra time and lose my chapter marks to boot. I spend a lot of time putting them in the right places.

As for what the DVD copy does in the standalone player, it does this: the player recognizes it is a DVD video. If you press "menu", it searches for the menu, but none ever comes up. If you press "play" directly, it indicates that it is searching for the first chapter, then it stops suddenly, displaying a "stop" message. This happens in both my non-recording, playback-only players. They have no problem playing any of my other discs. And I have seen the error messages they generate when they don't like a disc (discs I've received from other people.) In this case there are no error messages at all. Just "menu, stop," or "play, stop." This has to be the software-blocking that Pioneer put in the file.

The exact same disc, copied on the same computer, using the same source drive and same burner, but using the old Record Now software, plays perfectly on the standalone players. I can't explain why the software blocking doesn't get passed on by Record Now; it must be a feature that was put in later versions of burning software, probably through joint negotiations between the manufacturers and software developers. Obviously it's something they're not being terribly open about.
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Post by etech6355 »

Maybe try MF6. I've come across this protection on my panasonic dvd recorder with different results. In the Pana unit I can turn it on or off but it's not the same as DRM, it's only file protection on the recorder.
nyco_ork

Post by nyco_ork »

etech6355 wrote:Maybe try MF6. I've come across this protection on my panasonic dvd recorder with different results. In the Pana unit I can turn it on or off but it's not the same as DRM, it's only file protection on the recorder.
Thanks, etech. I wish I could turn it off on the Pioneer, but there's no provision for it. The manual doesn't even mention it. Only mentions copy protection, as in it won't record copy-protected material.

I've been curious about MF6. Maybe when I've cleared the decks of other matters I'll give it a shot. Meantime, fortunately, I have a workaround, kludgy as it is.
nyco_ork

Post by nyco_ork »

etech6355 wrote: Are you still using the Fast-Write Feature? The Fast-Write Feature is a known problem among all dvd recorders.
Here's an update: I finally got around to testing a disc that was made using real-time copy instead of fast-write, and the same thing happened. So it has nothing to do with the speed. The patent infrigement blocker is working at all speeds.

Still haven't had a chance to try MF6. Since my workaround is working, I haven't felt a pressing need just yet.

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