MF4 Will Not Allow Copying From DVD-VR To DVD-R???

[michaeltee]

Hello,

I'm trying to convert a DVD-VR to DVD-R using MF4's "DVD+/-VR To DVD Video" interface (A sub menu of the "Copy Or Fit Disc" menu). When I click the burn icon I get the following error message:

"Copying A UDF-formatted read-only disc is not allowed, because this may infringe patent rights"

OK... I'm trying to copy a DVD made on my Panasonic standalone DVD recorder and MF4 is worried about patent infringements? What's up with that?

Any comments appreciated

-Mike

[maddrummer3301]

Is that one of the new recorders that writes to dvd-rw disks also?
Did you format the disk as -VR or as straight video.

What is the format and I'll try the same format on of my recorders and making a copy to see if I get the same message.

First time I've heard of this unless it was a copy-protected dvd which isn't your case.

MD

[michaeltee]

Hi,

Thanks for the reply!

I copied a VHS video cassette (non-copyrighted camcorder footage) to a normal DVD-R using a Panasonic DMR-E55 standalone recorder. I then tried to copy the disc in MF4, first using the standard Disc-To-Disc copy utility and then the DVD-VR to DVD-Video mode. In both cases I get the same error message. I then downloaded and installed the most recent MF4 update/patch which made no difference.

I also tried a number of different source/target drive scenarios just to make sure the problem wasn't drive related.

As far as I know, my Panasonic DMR-E55 standalone DVD recorder doesn't record DVD-RW, just DVD-R and DVD-RAM. I went through the setup menu and didn't find any user defined options for finalizing so apparently the recorder determines the correct method by default.

Lastly, I should also mention that (after giving up on MF4) I had no problem making copies using Roxio Easy DVDcopy.

Other than that, I suppose it's possible my MF4 installation has become corrupt, however everything else about the program seems to be working fine. I dunno... it's definitely a mystery!

-Mike

[maddrummer3301]

I guess you are aware that DVD-RAM Doesn't need to be finalized but
DVD-R does. Did you finalize the DVD-R disk in the recorder? Very important.

After you record everything you need on the dvd-r it must be finalized
to work on dvd players and computers. Takes about 2 minutes.
You access the finalize menu from the main navagation menu where
"Fit To Disc" and Format disk (ram) is in.
You also must have the dvd-r in the panasonic unit to access the
finalize disk screen.

Hope this helps,

MD

[michaeltee]

I guess you are aware that DVD-RAM Doesn't need to be finalized but
DVD-R does. Did you finalize the DVD-R disk in the recorder? Very important.

After you record everything you need on the dvd-r it must be finalized
to work on dvd players and computers. Takes about 2 minutes.
You access the finalize menu from the main navagation menu where
"Fit To Disc" and Format disk (ram) is in.
You also must have the dvd-r in the panasonic unit to access the
finalize disk screen.

Hope this helps,

MD

Thanks for the feedback. Yes, I always finalize my DVD-R media after recording a disc.

-Mike

[maddrummer3301]

Hi,
A bit confusing. In your opening post you stated you are trying to copy/convert a -vr disk to dvd-r.
Then you say - "I copied a VHS video cassette (non-copyrighted camcorder footage) to a normal DVD-R using a Panasonic DMR-E55 standalone recorder. I then tried to copy the disc in MF4".

When using Dvd-r in a dvd recorder they are standard dvd-video disks.
Not -vr. VR disks are eithe -rw or +rw. The -RW or Ram is the -VR mode
and the dvd+rw is the +VR mode. Big difference and depends on whether you formatted the disks as -VR or Video disk. (gets confusing).

So, I think you are recording onto a dvd-r which is standard dvd-video and
trying to make a copy of that.

Whenever copying from one dvd to another that are different types you may have to "UNCHECK" the option "On The Fly". The contents of
one dvd are copied to the harddisk and then written back to the new dvd.
Copying dvd's with the "On The Fly" UNCHECKED is a much more reliable method. Depends if the dvd's aren't a compatible type.

I recorded to dvd-r in Standard Mode on a panasonic DMR-E55. Copying and burning the dvd using MF4 to a dvd+rw in a "Lite-On" burner using "On The Fly" right now.
Also at the same time, recording a movie at 100% compression 6500vbr using an ati capturing program AND typing this post.
Processor usage is max 29% and xp system setup for "Background" performance. So, the program is working on my system.

You copied the dvd using Roxio. If you have "Drag to Disk" installed that Roxio Product directly conflicts with the MF4 burner modules. You will need to either un-install Ulead Data-Add or Roxio "Drag To Disk" or Nero "InCD if that's installed.

The dvd just finished burning and I'm playing it back as a dvd+rw disk now so the program is working on my machine.

Hope this helps you troubleshoot what the problem is.

MD

[michaeltee]

MD,

My sincere thanks for your efforts!

I'm not sure what I was thinking when I mentioned the original media was "-VR". It was actually a standard DVD-R (sourced from a non-copyrighted VHS cassette) recorded on my Panasonic DMR-E55 standalone DVD recorder. I then attempted burn a DVD-R-to-DVD-R copy using MF4. I do apologize for the initial confusion

To your point regarding "drag-to-disc" applications, none are installed on my PC so there are no known conflicts between Roxio, Ulead, Nero, etc.

I'm not surprized that you were able to make copies when simulating my recording/burning scenario. After all, there's no reason why it shouldn't work. Therefore I can only assume file corruption within my MF4 installation or a yet to be determined conflict of other sort.

In any case, I'm going to perform a clean-install of MF4 and see if that corrects the problem.

Thanks again for your suggestions and comments. I'll post some results after I've re-installed and tested MF4.

Best,
-Mike

[maddrummer3301]

Mike,
I think there's something up with the program (my opinion).
Or, something with the recorder. Haven't had that yet from the recorder
but have similar error when importing dvd-ram disks. Tech support
helped me with a workaround for importing the ram disks.

When I copied it was from a dvd reader(lite-on) to a dvd writer.
Maybe I should try the source disk in a writer.

I've noticed a difference whether importing or copying if the dvd is
in a reader or a writer.

Don't know if your in the same module as I was using.
In that module you can also create an image file on the harddisk in the
choices for the "Destination" disk.

Maybe a good idea to send your information to tech support.

MD

[michaeltee]

Hi MD,

Re the aforementioned problem, I recall trying to create an image after giving up on disc-to-disc. If I recall correctly, I got an error message "this type of disc must be recorded on-the-fly" or something to that effect.

Interesting comment re writer and reader drives. I do have one reader on my system however I rarely use it. I've made tons of copies in other applications using Sony, HP or LiteOn writers as source and destination and never had any problems.

I've noticed a difference whether importing or copying if the dvd is
in a reader or a writer. MD

What sort of differences have you noticed. I'd be curious to know, just for general knowledge.

-Mike

[nyco_ork]

This thread seems to have closed a long time ago, but I've just come across the same problem. I can use the Ulead Burn Now utility to copy a DVD-R authored by Ulead to another blank DVD-R, no problem. But if I try to copy a DVD-R made on my Pioneer PRV 9200 standalone, it's no go. I get the same message about UDF not allowed, infringing patent rights, etc. What gives? I use the discs made on the Pioneer to import projects into Ulead, also with no problem.

The discs I'm trying to copy are discs I made myself. I can copy them using other programs, such as Sonic Record Now. But I'd like to use Ulead Burn Now because it's faster. Also, Record Now crashes regularly. Is there any workaround for this?

RB

[etech6355]

I don't know why your getting the UDF error but this should work.
Copy the dvd's Audio_ts & Video_ts folders from the dvd you recorded in the Pioneer recorder to your harddisk.
Then use MF to burn the new dvd using these folders.
The option in MF is "Burn Dvd Folder".
Then navigate to the Video_Ts folder on the harddisk, highlight it and click OK.

[nyco_ork]

Etech,

Thanks, but I tried burning to a DVD folder on the hard drive, and I got the same message. Yet, as I said in my previous, I have no problem importing files from the same finalized DVDs for authoring in MF4.

I'm wondering if this is a limitation in the MF4 Burn Now enging that isn't there anymore in MF5. Does anyone know the answer?

RB

[etech6355]

I'm confused. You burn dvd folders FROM the harddisk to a dvd, not TO the harddisk.

Can you do something.
On the dvd you created in the Pioneer recorder you have stated it is a DVD-R disk, correct?
Put the dvd into you drive in the computer, open up the dvd and post what's on the directory of the dvd. If it's a DVD-R disk there should be a VIDEO_TS Folder on it.
Sounds to me like the DVD has been written in UDF packet mode which would be the -VR format or the +VR format.
Your sure it's a DVD-R disk and not a DVD-RW disk?

Do you have a VIDEO_TS folder on this dvd created in the Pioneer recorder or a different directory. Something like DVD_RTAV
So it's either a VIDEO_TS folder or a DVD_RTAV folder on the dvd.

[nyco_ork]

I'm confused. You burn dvd folders FROM the harddisk to a dvd, not TO the harddisk.

...

Do you have a VIDEO_TS folder on this dvd created in the Pioneer recorder or a different directory. Something like DVD_RTAV
So it's either a VIDEO_TS folder or a DVD_RTAV folder on the dvd.

Yes, I know that you burn from the HDD to DVD, but first you have to get the files from the DVD onto the HDD. Ulead provides that function, and when I use it, I get the error message, and the files aren't copied.

I'm positive these are DVD-R discs, with TS file and VOB files.
Here is a typical directory and files, taken from a disc:
VIDEO_TS (root directory)
Files:
VIDEO_TS.BUP 12,288 4/3/2007 8:47 AM G:\VIDEO_TS BUP File 4/3/2007 8:47 AM 4/3/2007 8:47 AM
VIDEO_TS.IFO 12,288 4/3/2007 8:47 AM G:\VIDEO_TS IFO File 4/3/2007 8:47 AM 4/3/2007 8:47 AM
VIDEO_TS.VOB 79,872 4/3/2007 8:47 AM G:\VIDEO_TS VOB File 4/3/2007 8:47 AM 4/3/2007 8:47 AM
VTS_01_0.BUP 65,536 4/3/2007 8:43 AM G:\VIDEO_TS BUP File 4/3/2007 8:43 AM 4/3/2007 8:43 AM
VTS_01_0.IFO 65,536 4/3/2007 8:43 AM G:\VIDEO_TS IFO File 4/3/2007 8:43 AM 4/3/2007 8:43 AM
VTS_01_1.VOB 1,065,353,216 4/3/2007 8:36 AM G:\VIDEO_TS VOB File 4/3/2007 8:36 AM 4/3/2007 8:36 AM
VTS_01_2.VOB 1,065,353,216 4/3/2007 8:36 AM G:\VIDEO_TS VOB File 4/3/2007 8:36 AM 4/3/2007 8:36 AM
VTS_01_3.VOB 1,065,353,216 4/3/2007 8:36 AM G:\VIDEO_TS VOB File 4/3/2007 8:36 AM 4/3/2007 8:36 AM
VTS_01_4.VOB 1,023,854,592 4/3/2007 8:36 AM G:\VIDEO_TS VOB File 4/3/2007 8:36 AM 4/3/2007 8:36 AM

You can see that these are standard Video mode DVD-R files. I don't even make VR discs, or use RW media.

Movie Factory's Burn Now is misreading the discs somehow; it's the only program that has this problem.

R

[etech6355]

Yes they are DVD-Video DVD's.

I think I know what's wrong.
One last question:
With the MF4 launcher screen up on the screen.
You click on "Copy or Fit Disc"
There should be 5 choices/modules to choose from on the right hand side.
Which one are you selecting?