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JoeB wrote:
ehume wrote:Add the capacity to open all of the pages in a PDF, not just the front page. Read-only is fine.
You might want to read this thread on the subject:

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=58259&hilit=pdf
I read all three pages. I have tried a number of PDF's, all pure text -- no fill-in-the-forms. I've tried PDF's that I saved from MS Word. I have tried to open PDF documents from manufacturers. I have tried PSPx9 and PSP 2018. All open the first page only.

Then I read about 32-bit PSP, so I tried to open PDF documents from manufacturers again, but this time in PSPx9 32-bit. All open the first page only.

I thank you for the reference, but I must reiterate that we should be able to reliably open multi-page PDF's in PSP.
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ehume wrote: we should be able to reliably open multi-page PDF's in PSP.
Tried with a 3 pages (text only) PDF and PSP 2019 64bit opens the 3 pages. Each page is created as a single image. My choice was A4 and 300 PPI.

Not all PDFs are the same. It would be interesting if we compare the PDF properties of the PDF documents.
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Well, I just noticed that PSPx9 -- even though I was going to the x86 Programs directory -- was opening in 64-bit. So I reinstalled PSPx8 as a 32-bit-only app. That did it. I can now open multi-page PDF's.

Note that 64-bit PSP's only open the first page.

Note also that if you have both 32-bit and 64-bit PSP apps installed, PSP will open in the 64-bit app.

It is only when you have installed 32-bit only that if you tell a file to "Open with" PSP that it will do so in the 32-bit app.

You can also start in PSP 32-bit, and open a multi-page PDF from there. It is tricky . . .
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ehume wrote:Well, I just noticed that PSPx9 -- even though I was going to the x86 Programs directory -- was opening in 64-bit. So I reinstalled PSPx8 as a 32-bit-only app. That did it. I can now open multi-page PDF's.

Note that 64-bit PSP's only open the first page.

Note also that if you have both 32-bit and 64-bit PSP apps installed, PSP will open in the 64-bit app.
Not enough detail provided, so I am going to have to assume that, by the above sentence, you mean that opening a PDF file from Windows Explorer using the Open With option or making PSP the default for PDF will actually cause PSP 64bit to open, even if you had originally chosen the PSP executable from the (x86) programs folder. If that is what you mean, then that is correct from my tests (I have both 32bit and 64bit PSP2019 installed. That is quite strange.
ehume wrote:It is only when you have installed 32-bit only that if you tell a file to "Open with" PSP that it will do so in the 32-bit app.

You can also start in PSP 32-bit, and open a multi-page PDF from there. It is tricky . . .
However, if anyone has read the original discussion thread about this issue (the link I provided above) you will know that I created several different PDF documents using several different programs - 2 different writing programs and also MS Word using two different ways of saving to PDF with word. After reading your post I used Open With in Widnows Explorer and, when prompted to chose a default program, chose the PSP 32bit executable. The Open With dialogue, however, shows it as PSP 64bit. So I went ahead and opened each one of my original test PDF documents using that option.

First, they did invoke PSP 2019 64bit rather than 32bit as originally selected. But more important, PSP 2019 64bit opened each and every one of those documents as individual pages. The smallest one was 6 pages long, one 9 pages, another 29 pages and the largest was 53 pages. It took less than 30 seconds for all of the 53 pages of the largest document to open, including the initial time it took for PSP to recognized how many pages there were. I did originally get a warning that the document was 53 pages long and could take awhile to open all pages if I chose to do so - which I did of course.

Also, unlike what usually happens when you have opened 10 documents in PSP with more waiting, I didn't get a warning after the first 10 pages that loading more could use too much memory. All 53 pages simply loaded within a few seconds. That applies whether I open the PDF from Windows Explorer or from Manage within PSP.

BUT now another oddity. I closed PSP 64bit and opened 32bit, going to the Manage tab. The thumbnail for those PDF files shows the first page of the PDF just as it does with the 64bit version. Selecting the file and going to Edit brings up the warning about the number of pages and I click OK to proceed. But then I get a dialogue saying the file(s) are password protected and requesting a password. These files were never created with password protection. Just clicking OK on that dialogue won't let me open the file. BUT I can type anything I want in the Password dialogue and the file will open as separate pages just like it does in the 64bit version!

So while there is the oddity regarding the password thing in 32bit PSP 2019, both my 32bit and 64bit versions open the various PDF files I originally created. It would be nice to get feedback from others using PSP2019.
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I made a script a long time ago because of this. It splits the PDF into multiple single page files and opens them one by one as layers in a single image. But it had some weird caveats that I didn't think people would appreciate.

It is interesting to note that the 64-bit version can open multipage PDFs but it is rare and I am uncertain as to what is necessary to make it happen. I had one PDF that I downloaded from an archival site it was an article from an old newspaper. That one refused to open properly in the 32-bit version but did open properly in the 64-bit. Again, never found out why. Even submitted it to Corel and never heard back.

And the biggest annoyance was when a PDF had pages of varying sizes. PSP never rendered those correctly.
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Another test, another indication that PSP 2019, both 32bit and 64bit will now open (at least) more PDF files than previous versions.

Again, anyone who has read the original thread (link in the first post above) will also be aware that Ken Berry sent me two PDF files to do more tests with. This was an application form for a credit card and had two pages. The first page had pre-printed information about the application, and the second page was the one that the applicants could fill in the required information about themselves using Acrobat or any other PDF editor. Our concern was that maybe one issue was opening PDF's that contained fillable form fields.

The bottom line was that only the original application form (before Ken had entered any information on the first page) was the only one that would open both pages in PSP X7 and X8 (the latest PSP's available in December, 2015). Neither would open the second page once Ken had edited it by entering information like his name, etc.

I also took those documents and tested them after further editing with with Acrobat. Some could open, and some couldn't in those two PSP programs. I won't repeat all of the tests here but for those interested in the full testing I did the link is here (although not necessary for the point I am making here): viewtopic.php?f=56&t=58259&hilit=pdf&start=15#p318110

The point here is that now both of the two documents Ken sent me will open both pages in my PSP2019, both 32bit and 64bit, as will all of the edited copies of the documents I made from them, even those that wouldn't open in the previous versions. One little quirk: In my 64bit PSP2019 one of the original documents from Ken doesn't show the thumbnail, only a grey square with a non-rotating progress circle. But clicking it and then Edit opens both of the pages in the workspace. Go figure.

So while this doesn't prove that PSP 2019, both 32bit and 64bit, will open all pages of all PDF documents, it certainly opens more of them then previous versions did. We will need people with 2019 to test opening other PDF's that don't open in their previous versions to see if any issues remain with 2019 opening all pages of PDF files.
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I use Adobe Acrobat to open my PDFs not Paintshop pro. I also do not expect Paintshop Pro to unlock my car nor operate my lights and toaster.
I use Paintshop pro for graphics and photographs not for word processing. If I want images from a pdf then I can open the Pdf in Acrobat and enlarge it there and then take screenshots of the enlarged images.
I am finding that opening a pdf in PSP and scaling it up to 100% it is smaller than the same pdf opened in Acrobat shown at 100% and then taking a screenshot there.
So once again using PSP to open a pdf will give an inferior result than using the correct tool for the job.
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hartpaul wrote:I use Adobe Acrobat to open my PDFs not Paintshop pro. I also do not expect Paintshop Pro to unlock my car nor operate my lights and toaster.
I use Paintshop pro for graphics and photographs not for word processing. If I want images from a pdf then I can open the Pdf in Acrobat and enlarge it there and then take screenshots of the enlarged images.
I am finding that opening a pdf in PSP and scaling it up to 100% it is smaller than the same pdf opened in Acrobat shown at 100% and then taking a screenshot there.
So once again using PSP to open a pdf will give an inferior result than using the correct tool for the job.
I do agree with you about all you said above. And if the PDF is opened in Acrobat you don't have to take a screenshot. It has the option to save as Image, and you can choose various formats like jpg, png, tiff, etc. And you do get a much larger image than you get from PSP's opened PDF pages. I'm no sure why people actually want to open PDFs in PSP because of that.

I would guess, however, that the issue started because of Corel's claim that PSP could open multi-page PDF files, so it should do as it says on the can. However, if it's going to open PDF files then I would also agree that it should be able to open them as large, and as good a quality, as doing so in Acrobat. :-)
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hartpaul wrote:I use Adobe Acrobat to open my PDFs not Paintshop pro. I also do not expect Paintshop Pro to unlock my car nor operate my lights and toaster.
I use Paintshop pro for graphics and photographs not for word processing. If I want images from a pdf then I can open the Pdf in Acrobat and enlarge it there and then take screenshots of the enlarged images.
I am finding that opening a pdf in PSP and scaling it up to 100% it is smaller than the same pdf opened in Acrobat shown at 100% and then taking a screenshot there.
So once again using PSP to open a pdf will give an inferior result than using the correct tool for the job.
While I sympathize with the views expressed here, my own special needs differ. When using an old set of apps, I could scan a set of pages. The output was in PDF's. My version of Adobe Reader would allow me to select individual pages, copy them and paste them into individual records, which I kept alphabetized. Due to various "upgrades" (Adobe has taken away features they could charge for) I can no longer do this.

I tried opening PDF's in PSP. That's when I discovered PSP 2018 did not open PDF's beyond the first page. Now I have uninstalled PSP 2018 and installed 32- and 64-bit apps. The results: PSPx8 32-bit will open multipage PDF's as multiple images. Ditto 32-bit PSPx9. But 32-bit PSP 2018 will not. I hate that, because PSP 2018 is my main image editor. Now we learn that PSP 2019 has fixed the problem, maybe. Time will tell.

I ended up saving documents as PDF's and sending each day's work as one large PDF to a fax server. I have figured out how to save the MS Word originals. The arrangement is suboptimal, but it will do. What I did not expect was how complex this topic is. Lucky me to settle on the one PSP that will not open multipage PDF's. I guess I'll have to use the "modern" (gimped) Adobe product.
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JoeB wrote: . . . However, if it's [PSP is] going to open PDF files then I would also agree that it should be able to open them as large, and as good a quality, as doing so in Acrobat. :-)
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Have you tried other PDF readers or editors? The most well known alternative is Foxit PDF, though I am unsure if the viewer offers what you need. PhantomPDF is pretty good as a full editor, but it's either a huge upfront cost or a small monthly subscription. There are also editors based on GhostScript that might work.

There is also the old trick of printing individual pages to a PDF printer like CutePDF or PDFCreator (available for download from Ninite.com)

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