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Re: Thought I was doing ok but final video is trash

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iNate wrote:Additionally, every time I see Filmora mentioned, I get skeptical.

Them paying for shills and hijacking search terms with "fake reviews" of competing software with huge ads at the top of the page for Filmora (though it seems engines have been de-ranking them, and dropping them like a rock lately)...

That company is awful and run like a spyware operation.

And I'm not sure why anyone would pay the same price for Filmora, when they could get something like PowerDirector Ultra, Movie Edit Pro Plus, or VEGAS Movie Studio Premium for a similar cost.

Those are all better products than Filmora; though you still lose out on VS Ultimate's amazing Plug-In Bundle (it's biggest and best selling point, IMO).
I can't attest to any of the hijacking or fake reviews, but the software seems to work fine. This is my first real go at trying video editing, so maybe as I gain more experience & grow I'll look into those others you mentioned, I had never heard of them before.

What does Corel's Video Studio plugin bundle provide?
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The raw footage would be very usefull since it can be used to check if VS will process it properly without making any edits.
Why can you not supply the VSP file? Did you delete it?
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johnnyscience wrote:
iNate wrote: What does Corel's Video Studio plugin bundle provide?
Not sure what you are referring to?

Corel Video Studio Ultimate is provided with a Bonus Feature pack, this includes additional filters found in the FX library
Most are ProDad stuff, Mercalli, Boris Graffiti, Adorage, Handscript, RotoPen, Vitascene and a couple of NewBlue effects.
In addition the program may provide freebees, usually Instant Project Templates.
There are other free template downloads available from the Welcome – Get More page.
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johnnyscience wrote:I can't attest to any of the hijacking or fake reviews
The reason why the possibility of a fake review was posited in your case was because that you were repeatedly asked to either a SmartPackage (viewtopic.php?f=1&t=64196&start=15#p360531) or just a source clip to a file sharing site (viewtopic.php?f=1&t=64196&start=15#p360532). You simply ignored these repeated requests; changed the subject; and then told us that you had bought Filmora and everything to now wonderful for you. In short, it really doesn't seem that you were ever interested in finding a solution to any issue that VS may have raised.

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Re: Thought I was doing ok but final video is trash

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lata wrote:
johnnyscience wrote:
iNate wrote: What does Corel's Video Studio plugin bundle provide?
Not sure what you are referring to?

Corel Video Studio Ultimate is provided with a Bonus Feature pack, this includes additional filters found in the FX library
Most are ProDad stuff, Mercalli, Boris Graffiti, Adorage, Handscript, RotoPen, Vitascene and a couple of NewBlue effects.
In addition the program may provide freebees, usually Instant Project Templates.
There are other free template downloads available from the Welcome – Get More page.
Boris Graffiti 7
Boris Title Studio
NewBlue Titler Pro 5
proDAD Mercalli 2 SE
proDAD Adorage 9/13
proDAD VitaScene 2 LE
proDAD RotoPen
proDAD HandScript
NewBlue Sampler Pack
NewBlue ColorFast
NewBlue Motion Effects
NewBlue Video Essentials 1, 2, 4, 5, and 7

Those are the bundled Plug-Ins with VideoStudio 2018 Ultimate. It's a more comprehensive bundle than with pretty much any other NLE in a similar price range.

I do think that VideoStudio has the weakest timeline editing of the NLEs in its price range, though, so I guess that may put some people off - that, and its performance and stability is starting to fall apart.
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Re: Thought I was doing ok but final video is trash

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johnnyscience wrote:
iNate wrote:Additionally, every time I see Filmora mentioned, I get skeptical.

Them paying for shills and hijacking search terms with "fake reviews" of competing software with huge ads at the top of the page for Filmora (though it seems engines have been de-ranking them, and dropping them like a rock lately)...

That company is awful and run like a spyware operation.

And I'm not sure why anyone would pay the same price for Filmora, when they could get something like PowerDirector Ultra, Movie Edit Pro Plus, or VEGAS Movie Studio Premium for a similar cost.

Those are all better products than Filmora; though you still lose out on VS Ultimate's amazing Plug-In Bundle (it's biggest and best selling point, IMO).
I can't attest to any of the hijacking or fake reviews, but the software seems to work fine. This is my first real go at trying video editing, so maybe as I gain more experience & grow I'll look into those others you mentioned, I had never heard of them before.

What does Corel's Video Studio plugin bundle provide?
I'm referring to the tactic displayed on this page: https://filmora.wondershare.com/vegas-p ... s-pro.html

They intentionally put on pages with "tutorials" and even "reviews" about other NLEs, with huge advertisements for Filmora. It's a dirty tactic used to try to get people to switch to your product. They even have "best alternatives" pages... with one for VideoStudio: https://filmora.wondershare.com/video-e ... tudio.html

Totally not in conflict of interest! Filmora #1... YAAASSSSSS!!!!

For months, if you searched for a product review on Bing or Google, you'd see Wondershare links near the top (if not at the top) of the search results. All of the "Reviews" they posted were formatted similarly to the page I linked.

The sites have been deranked, so they no longer show up unless you search specifically for them, now. Search engines must have caught onto it. That's what I mean by "hijacking search terms." Using the product name of another company on your pages to push your product when their users are looking for help or guidance, via SEO shenanigans.

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Additionally, it's no secret that Wondershare did a lot of partnering with [even small] YouTube channels to do "review videos" and flood the service with recommendations. A lot of those people went onto sites like Reddit and started mentioning it on subs like /r/VideoEditing whenever someone would ask about NLEs.

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If you are really this new to Video Editing and associated software programs, then perhaps blaming the software isn't always the best way to get help (or even correct). The software isn't perfect, but it's very hard to determine what's at fault if all you do is run to another program.

Have fun accomplishing nothing with it, because you'll probably just do that every time you run into any problem :-P
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Nice catch Nate, I never saw those pages when I tested Filmora.
But when it comes to contemporary video editing look, VS is way back in the 90's/00's and filmora is much more updated. The sad part is that VS will stay that way.
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1. What does "Contemporary Video Editing Look" even mean. The look and feel of the application??? Most Video Editors have their own look and feel, even if Timeline Philosophy is similar. MAGIX Movie Edit, VEGAS Movie Studio, VideoStudio, Pinnacle Studio, PowerDirector, Filmora, ShotCut, etc. all have differing user experiences. Which one the user prefers is their own prerogative, but it doesn't really give you any clue about the capabilities and power in an application. VideoStudio Ultiate is a considerably more powerful package than Filmora, by virtue of both its in-build functionality as well as its amazing Bundle of Pro-Level Plug-Ins. If you read these forums, you will see that I am not exactly someone who as ever glowingly endorsed VideoStudio 2018... But this Filmora love is a but over the top. It's not that great of an NLE. It's just a bit prettier. If you beauty is only skin deep to you, then enjoy Filmora. It's popularity has more to do with shady marketing and paid shilling than anything.

2. The pages have been deranked. Just a few months ago you couldn't search for any NLE product without those pages showing up at or near the top of the search results. It was incredibly aggressive around NAB timeframe, when companies like Blackmagic Design, Avid, Adobe, and others were announcing major updates to their Pro Products. Wondershare had Review and Comparison/Alternative pages for products like Resolve showing up near at or near the top of the search results - with the same format of those pages. I reported a lot of them on Google and Bing, around that time frame, due to frustration with it. Subreddits like /r/VideoEditing also saw an influx of Filmora posts, and there were tons of people on YouTube now posting "reviews" about how it's one of the best Windows editors (some of them being relatively sizeable channels, clearly being compensated to do so).

3. There are clearly some othings that VideoStuido can do to improve: Improved Performance & Hardware Acceleration, Video + Audio Tracks (to avoid switching between Video and Audio for Audio Editing/Effects/etc.). Better 3rd party Effects Settings integration (similar to MAGIX Movie Edit Pro). OpenFX and VST Effect Support. Better Proxy Workflow (better ability to create custom Proxy Profiles, esp, using third party Windows Encoders/Decoders installed on the system - i.e. for AVI format), etc.

P.S. Most Windows NLEs in the COnsumer/Prosumer segment have issues with hardware acceleration. VEGAS, PowerDirector, etc. all run into issues where users have to turn off the Hardware Acceleration. It is a common problem in this market segment. That doesn't mean that Corel cannot work to improve it, and actually implement working HWA. Because what they are marketing right now, is practically false in practice. They haven't change anything. They've just told us they have.
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Nate, "Contemporary Video Editing Look" in plain words is what one can make his video's to look like and how much "pain" or "clicks" he needs to make in order to achieve it.
Just look at some of the programs on your TV/YT and see what Contemporary Video's looks like. then open your VS2018 and replicate.

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Please excuse this is huge post...
asik1 wrote:Nate, "Contemporary Video Editing Look" in plain words is what one can make his video's to look like and how much "pain" or "clicks" he needs to make in order to achieve it.
Just look at some of the programs on your TV/YT and see what Contemporary Video's looks like. then open your VS2018 and replicate.

** I'm sorry to disagree with you that Adorage is "a pro level" plug in. in 1997 maybe but not today. I removed it long ago.
Adorage isn't the only plug-in distributed with VideoStudio Ultimate. Nice tactic, though. I listed every plug-in distributed with the VideoStudio Ultimate. Many of them are use by professionals. Title Studio, Titler Pro, Graffiti, Some of the NewBlue Plug-Ins (ColorFast is better than any grading tools in Filmora, by leaps and bounds), etc.

Contemporary looks current and modern - these are incredibly subjective terms de facto. You were referring to Filmora as a product when you described it as contemporary, not the output that the editor gets out of it. There is nothing stopping you from getting the same output out of VideoStudio. In fact, as a package, it is far more flexible in achieving what you want - creatively - than Filmora is out-of-the-box. What it gives you increases your creative freedom, not the other way around.

I think you are completely ignorant of what "contemporary" actually means, acting as if your opinion on the aesthehtic of a creator's product is the benchmark for what is acceptable (like a photographer scoffing at another's personal style), and completely clueless on how these products compare vs. each other - probably because you have barely used either of the for anything but trivial tasks.

If you want professional tooling that gives "contemporary" results (whatever you think that word means), than upgrade your ancient PC so that you can run something aimed at that market, like DaVinci Resolve 15. There's a free version that is 90% of what Studio offers.

Top YT creators are not using Filmora. Most of the big channels are using software like Premiere Pro CC, Final Cut Pro X, and DaVinci Resolve. Most TV shows are edited on Avid Media Composer. That's $1,299 or $19.99/mo., and you'll be buying some of the same plug-ins that are distributed with VideoStudio at dirt cheap prices because professionals use some of them. Or do you want to use Avid's awful Titler for your Motion Graphics?

A good word of advice is to stop worrying about what other people use, and actually spend your time creating content. The tool (i.e. VideoStudio) isn't your limitation. You are. Too many people are too busy "researching solutions" and "trying out things." A year passes, and they've barely accomplished anything of worth in any of this software.

I actually use lower end editors like VideoSttudio and PowerDirector for my Social Media content (YouTube and Social Media Sites). NLEs like Resolve are overbearing for smaller projects - too much management overhead, often slower, and completely lacking in optimization for the type of media that I tend to use in those projects i.e. iPhone video that completely chokes their performance (or forces you to waste tons of time transcoding/optimizing media or creating proxies).

I own VideoStudio, VEGAS Movie Studio, VEGAS Pro, Resolve Studio, Final Cut Pro X, iMovie, and PowerDirector; and have used others.

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Consumer Video Editors are mouse-driven. This has always been the case. Use VideoStudio, PowerDirector, Movie Edit Pro, iMovie, and a number of others. They are not designed for professional editors overly oncerned with efficiency who want to learn and use keybinds for everything. They all take tons of clicks to get things done. Many of them offload tasks integrated into other NLE's timelines to completely separate windows in the lower end editoros (Consumer/Prosumer packages). If you are overly concerned with the amount of clicks it takes you to get things done, then VideooStudio was a bad choice. There is a choice that is more appropriate for this type of user: VEGAS Movie Studio. It's basically 90% of VEGAS Pro, and can be operated efficiently primarily with the keyboard; allowing you to avoid clicking around as much.

I took your comment to be referring largely to look and feel, since you used the term look; which has nothing to do with how the software operates "mechanically," so to speak.

There is nothing about Filmora that is fundamentally superior to VideoStudio, aside from the fact that it is a newer product and therefore was able to be easily designed with a certain cute UI/UX - due to not having to deal with the huge development costs involved in completely revamping an existing product.

Avid Media Composer looks like software from the 1980s, but that isn't stopping editors from using it... because a software is a lot more than it's look and feel. It's still the best collaborative NLE in the world. The fact that Final Cut Pro X has a more "Contemporary Video Editing Look" doesn't matter because teams that need to collaborate would fine it almost unworkable compared to Avid.

It's not about looking cute. It's about being capable enough to get the job done, while giving you more creative opportunities to grow and move forwards.

And frankly, most people here don't care about VEGAS, Filmora, or any other editor. It's a VideoStudio forum, and I say this as someone who has been guilty of doing exactly what I've pointed out in this thread (not with that specific product).

It's disingenuous to people who are here to help. This is not a "feedback thread," where such discussions would be significantly more "on topic," provided a decent explanation of the matter was given (not just misused words). No one here is editing for TV, and most YT content is terrible... so you'd have to get a lot more specific than that...

P.S. There are professionals still using NLEs revisions older than the version of Adorage distributed with VideoStudio. Doesn't seem to hurt them! Adorage didn't exist in 1997. It was first released, IIRC, in 1999. The version used in products like VideoStudio and PowerDirector was released in ~2015; and you've probably never used it beyond opening it up and looking at the user interface (since you seem to put a lot of stock in "how does it look."). All of proDAD's products look ugly; even market leaders like Mercalli Stabilizer look awful in terms of UI. But that has nothing to do with their power and usefulness to today's editors. They're still in business for a reason. I think you'll find that as you go up in power, especially into the Pro Market... developers become a little less concerned with looking cute and more concerned with delivering the necessary functionality and power to compete in their target markets.

Selling pretty UIs only works better in the consumer market, where customers often choose what "looks best [to them]" and don't know how to properly evaluate these types of products. And I'm not sure I'd say VideoStudio doesn't "look good" enough. That is not a problem most users (on this forum, or otherwise) have with this NLE. I also struggle to say that Filmora looks better... from what I can see. It seems to have largely the same layout, with a less functional base user experience. And a huge toolbar between the preview window/library and timeline that wastes massive amounts of pixels... with basically the same Timeline Philosophy.
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We'll that's a tall order.

First of all, I wasn't shilling Filmora and secondly I wasn't running off to another NLE at the first sign of trouble with VS. I was trying to get it to do the simplist job of just producing a short 30 second promo video and it couldn't do that. I came on here for a week before a deadline came overdue and I needed to swap "tools" as you call them.

I tried everything that was suggested in this thread, regardless of what tletter seems to assume.

The product wasn't working properly and is known to have rendering issues it seems. So when I switched to a different product that rendered the video perfect the FIRST time, all of a sudden I'm getting bashed?

You're right, I'm totally brand new to video editors and this is my first go and Corel didn't do very well, that's not my fault. My hardware is plenty strong and I had watched a few corel videos and gotten enough working knowledge that I put a promo video together (multiple times) and it never rendered properly.

So tell me, if you're using a tool and it's not getting the job done, how many times do you continue to use it before you try another one?

Now I'm no Filmora fanboi, but the interface seems to be fine - but so did Corel. So I'm not sure what all the huff & puff is about. I'm fine with a "click" software vs using a keyboard for shortcuts, since I'm not familiar with shortcuts anyways.

Now these plugins sound interesting to me as I'm wondering how I get additional title & transition effects? This seems to be the two type of "effects" I'm looking for the most right now & I would like a nice library of both. I assume these plugins give me access to a larger library of these various title & transition effects?

I'm not locked into Filmora, however I did pay for it already, but $60 isn't a lot of money in the grand scheme of things, but if I'm going to move to another NLE, I don't want to spend more than another $60-$100 and I want to be sure I'm getting the best setup for what I'm looking for.

So if that's Corel VS, Filmora or VEGAS, I guess I don't understand the real difference between them or their abilities to make the determination of what my "final" NLE is going to be yet, hopefully this thread will help clear that up.

I tried uploading the file here but it wouldn't seem to take, here is the original file I've uploaded to my dropbox:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/756xh5d1b16ap ... 3.MP4?dl=0

Like I said, I re-created this video with Filmora and it came out perfect, the quality of the original file is fine.

If someone can figure out the problem that VS is having & I can finally fix it, I'd be willing to take another crack at Corel VS.

So if I understand the difference between VS & Filmora, VS has a large & free plugin bundle?

How & where does VEGAS fit into this trio?
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Well, thank you for that sample video. But I had absolutely no problems with it in VS 2018 or for that matter X10. You will see from the details in my Profile that my computer is similar to yours, and might even be called a little weaker with less RAM, though its CPU is 7th generation where yours is fifth.

However, your video played absolutely smoothly in both CLIP and Project modes. Like you, I got the message, when I inserted it into the timeline, asking if I wanted the Project Properties to match those of the clip, and I said OK. When I played in Project mode, as I say, it plays totally smoothly with no bumps or wiggles or the other problems evident in your You Tube video -- and it was exactly the same in Clip mode as I would have expected. There was no need to use SmartProxy.

I added a few titles, and then rendered it to a new video using Same As Project Settings. The render was virtually in real time i.e. it took just a little over 4 minutes to render your 4 minute 20 second video. I had all the hardware acceleration options selected.

So I am at a loss to understand why everything seemed OK on my setup, but produced a mess on yours... :roll:
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Like Ken, had no problem playing your sample video in VS2018, did not apply SmartProxy and played completely smooth and without any hesitations, rendered "same as project settings"
Rendering took three times as long as Ken, but that is to be expected, this test was carried out on the Win 7 desktop, which compared to the laptop is very slow.
As far as I could tell,the rendered project quality was equal to the original, however there are some hesitations apparent during playback using VLC, but so did your original video, however played back in VS2018 it was smooth
For what it's worth, CPU usage averaged 80% and 24% ram whilst rendering
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RobertOZ wrote:...there are some hesitations apparent during playback using VLC, but so did your original video
Thanks Robert. Good to see there are two of us singing from much the same songsheet. I was interested, though, in your references to hesitations in parts of the video. I hadn't noticed any in either the original or the rendered video. And I just played the whole thing back in VLC (where I had also played it after rendering), and watched carefully. Still couldn't see any hesitations. I wonder if they might have been slight hiccups in the download process? Any rough pointer to the times you see the hesitations?
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It's my desktop causing the hesitations, just created the project again on the laptop, no issues at all, the original and the rendered version play in VLC without any hesitations
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