.PSPIMAGE Files are 300mb+ with few layers - why/help?

[notyou87]

Hello.

Windows 8.1
PSP 2019

(Any additional info I have not given and you need, don't hesitate to ask please)

I was noticing today that opening and saving a .pspimage was taking a very long time and using a lot of processing power on my PC (2gb - 4gb) and even crashed my PC a few times.
Originally I had about 20 layers. Mostly vectors but the canvas size was/is 500x500px.
The vector layers were simply shapes for a logo - lets say the letter T and S. Below those I did also have some textures. I thought it was the textures being huge, because I think they are about 3000px or 5000px so I completely deleted those and saved a copy of the .pspimage. It went from about 345mb to 342mb.. I then deleted al other layers except the main logo one. Again it got rid of only a small amount and it's still over 330mb.

I have never had this problem in previous versions of Paintshop Pro - this problem is in 2019 but if I open and save the same files as copies in 2018, they are still this huge size.
Is it some specific setting/option I have chosen somehow without knowing/being aware of?


in total it has done this with 2 images - both logos and with both they are simple looking. They also both had me merge vector layers to combine them, and also to cut out..

I am at a complete loss as to what this could be. Any ideas on what to check/change will be really appreciated. I love designing and having my entire PC crash is not fun


Edit:
Oh also I forgot I have a 3rd image. It's a 900x2000px image that is also 340mb as a pspimage. It's one layer. It was a stock image that I used blur on, and a lot of distortion effects til I got a nice abstract shape, this is the image as a png:
https://i.imgur.com/3ZO68zC.png

There are NO excess images OUTSIDE of layers on any of the images/layers which could be adding.. i am at a complete loss but I bet it's something extremely obviously

[LeviFiction]

EDIT: I'm not sure.

I've seen the edit history of an image add several MB to an image before but ultimately that's just text. And you'd have to do a huge amount of editing to get 300MB with of text.

Check your image save settings. Go to File -> Save As

Then click on the "Options" button in the bottom right corner. You should get the PSPImage options, is it set to "Uncompressed"?

Uncompressed that PNG image would be around 5MB per layer. A 500x500px image however, would only be 1MB per layer tops.

Do you have google drive or something where you could upload an example of such a huge image?

[notyou87]

It's probably the edit history. PSPImage files save with a complete record of every command and edit you ran on the image for every session. This, especially with heavily edited images, can add up pretty quickly. Especially since it's written in XML format which can sometimes triple the length of even simple characters like tabs and carriage returns. Oh and paint brushes are a beast, for every single point the brush moves PSP adds a huge line of text. For exmaple "(App.Constants.PathEntryInterpretation.Absolute,(614.5,1454.5),3016)" For every single point. This can quickly add up to a lot. Vectors are the same.

I saved the example PNG you gave as PSPImage uncompressed and it only increased the size to 5MB from 1MB. Then I saved it with some edits and the history increased the size very quickly to 15MB.

I'm actually not sure how to get rid of it. At least as far as PSPImage files are concerned.

But you can turn it off so it never happens again. It won't delete the current edit history but it'll stop PSP from adding the edit history to your images.

Go to File -> Preferences -> General Program Preferences

Select "Miscellaneous" on the left, and you'll see a checkbox for adding the edit history to to metadata for JPGs, PSPIMAGEs, and TIFFs. Just deselect that and no new images will be saved with the history.

This has to be it. I have turned that setting off, thanks.
I will let you know if it has worked when I create something else.

If you figure out, or anyone else knows how to delete the current history so it stops being 300mb, that would be amazing. i tried the history but as you can guess it was just the history from the time I just opened it


I have found in Image Information (shift+I) it has Edit History Log and you can SAVE it, but no option to delete.

[LeviFiction]

I changed my mind and tried to correct myself. See my edit above.

That 15MB was because I forgot to compress my image again. The text only took up 29kb which is far more reasonable

[notyou87]

I changed my mind and tried to correct myself. See my edit above.

That 15MB was because I forgot to compress my image again. The text only took up 29kb which is far more reasonable

I will upload that abstract image that I did a lot of distorted effects + blur on.
It's over 300mb and my upload is so slow so bare with me


Edit:
Here we go 168mb because I zipped it:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RW_5I ... dy2nqr_l7G

[hartpaul]

Ok I downloaded and extracted the file and it was 340 MB
I loaded it into PSP 2019 and then saved it as a pspimage with a different name.
That brought it down to 2MB
I also saved it as a png file and that was just over 1 MB
I reloaded that png and saved it as a pspimage file and that kept it at just over 1 MB.

[notyou87]

Ok I downloaded and extracted the file and it was 340 MB
I loaded it into PSP 2019 and then saved it as a pspimage with a different name.
That brought it down to 2MB
I also saved it as a png file and that was just over 1 MB
I reloaded that png and saved it as a pspimage file and that kept it at just over 1 MB.

I will try this, but I am unsure what to maybe do to prevent this in the future - it has happened to 3 image files so far all with different names.
Not sure what the cause is..

I will try what you did now to see if it does it for me in 2019, if not I will try in 2018.


Edit:
Nope same size for me regardless.

2019: f12 or Save As - newname2019
2019 ctrl+f12 - Save Copy As - newname2019-copy

334mb still

And the exact same in 2018 to- similar name just using the numbers 2018 instead of 2019

[LeviFiction]

HOLY.....I was right. That's an odd feeling. Usually when I do wild speculations I'm not even close. xD So I saved out your edit history, the resulting text file was 295MB. Hartpaul, what compatibility version of PSP do you save under for PSPImage? If I change the compatibility from X8-2019 down to X3 the history is not saved. But if I save X4-X7 it does show up.

notyou87, try saving for X3 compatiblity.

1) File -> Save As
2) Choose PSPImage as the format
3) Hit the "Options" button in the bottom right corner of the save as dialog
4) Change compatibility dropown to a minimum of X3.
5) Give it a new name.

Do you have a smaller image now?

[hartpaul]

Strange . Something has now changed . The image takes a long time to load . and now when I try and save it as a png it gives a
Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Library

Runtime Error
R6025 - pure function call

and then closes PSP 2019.
Was saving at the default settings. Changed to X2 compatibility and it dropped to 2 MB
So saving as an earlier compatible file strips that extra info away and allows normal saving again at least for a single layer.

[notyou87]

HOLY.....I was right. That's an odd feeling. Usually when I do wild speculations I'm not even close. xD So I saved out your edit history, the resulting text file was 295MB. Hartpaul, what compatibility version of PSP do you save under for PSPImage? If I change the compatibility from X8-2019 down to X3 the history is not saved. But if I save X4-X7 it does show up.

notyou87, try saving for X3 compatiblity.

1) File -> Save As
2) Choose PSPImage as the format
3) Hit the "Options" button in the bottom right corner of the save as dialog
4) Change compatibility dropown to a minimum of X3.
5) Give it a new name.

Do you have a smaller image now?

That worked. Saving as X3 compatibility it's now 2.14mb (not the image I gave you guys, apparently I deleted that from my pc). But the other image/logo that was/is 340mb is now 2.14mb using that X3.
I did also try saving as X4 - X7 but that is the exact same size as saving as X8+ - 340mb.

This is oh so very bizarre. I contacted support via ticket/email last night regarding it so hopefully it's some weird bug they can fix - and soon.

[LeviFiction]

Awesome, glad it worked. But I hate waiting around for Corel to fix things.

Give me a week and I'll have a script that rips out the history. Technically I should be able to do it in just a few quick hours, but I have no confidence in myself and so I tend to be quite slow.

EDIT: Okay, I Have most of the base code written, I just need to figure out the best way to re-write the block size after removing all of that extra data. Should be easy enough, just give me another week.

[LeviFiction]

Alright, it took me forever but I have an experimental version of a script that will strip the history out of any image. I tried it on this 300MB file and it was very fast.

See the script and demo here: viewtopic.php?f=104&t=64207

[flagpole]

I think this affects PNGs too. Though it shouldn't.

[LeviFiction]

If I am correct I think this effects PNGs if you convert a PSPIMAGE file into a PNG. It just sort of converts the text field of the PSPImage into a text field in the PNG not caring what the data is. If you edit and save a PNG without it being a PSPIMAGE or JPG or TIFF then no history data is copied over.

[flagpole]

The image I gave you was created from scratch. I guess I probably did save it as .pspimage along the way.