Group Layers Merge in PSPimageFormat

[Bonjovicrzy]

Have googled and search the boards with no luck I have Windows 10 64 bit pro and have Paint Shop Pro 2018 and have both 32 and 64 installed have had psp since psp7 have had upgraded psp many times

ever since I got psp 2018 I have had little things wrong have gotten them fixed with you all's help or Corel support oy myself ran into a new one I am really getting frustrated with psp 2018 thinking of reinstalling psp X9 hope they work the bugs out before a new PSP version feel like I wasted my money on psp 2018

my problem now is I am making a file multiple layers and three different layer groups and saving as a pspimage format file I have about 20-30 layers all together when saving as a .pspimage file I get this message below in picture and it merges the layers under the group into one with the layer group name so I have three layer groups I have 20-30 files saving to /as 3 raster layers with the group layers name also picture below ( hope that made sense ).. it is properly something simple could it be my setting for psp image only change I did for the psp image setting was I have it set up to save as version psp 7 ( I still have some people on the forum I belong to still have Windows XP and PSP 7 -9 ) and I try make it where they can use my files on my blog and also have all formats set in psp to be recognized this is the first time I ever had problems saving and with layers and layer groups any help would be greatly appreciated thank you

Error message I am getting when saving



Setting


and the layer pallet view saving 20-30 files to 3 layers and a copyright layer

[JoeB]

First, I found it extremely difficult to follow what it was you were trying to tell us with your post. It consisted of over 300 words, virtually all of them run together as one long sentence except for a couple of line breaks, causing me to have to try and determine where one sentence ended an another began. The general procedure is to at least place a period at the end of each sentence and begin each sentence with an upper case letter. It would help to make your posts more intelligible if you could please do at least that.

That said, what happens when you save those layer groups as PSP X8-2018 compatible? If that works then the problem is that making them PSP7 compatible doesn't work because PSP7 may not have the ability to properly interpret the particular layers that you have created in PSP2018. If that doesn't fix the issue then report back - hopefully in a more reader friendly format.

[hartpaul]

Tried to duplicate your problem and was able to get your error message.
What I did:
1. Loaded 7 images and from top down highlighted 2 images and added to a group so finished with 3 groups each containing two images and a bottom background layer. I did not add any effects or layer styles just the basic images.

2. Then saved the image as .pspimagefiles and compatible to the different versions:

MergedGroupsPSP8.pspimage
MergedGroupsPSPX8-2018.pspimage
MergedGroupsPSPX2.pspimage
MergedGroupsPSPX4-X7.pspimage

3. All saved correctly and maintained the groups.
However -- if you use a layer style on any of the images than this was introduced with PSP X2 and is not compatible with earlier versions, and I get that merging notification box when making it PSP8 compatible.

But layer groups were introduced in PSP5 so there should be no problem with layer groups unless PSP5 had some iimitation on numbers of groups, number of layers in groups, or a general change in the way PSP saves group information.
So the short answer is that something you have done to one of the layers in PSP2018 is not compatible with PSP7 or earlier. As I do not have acess to earlier versions of JascPSP before version 8 I cannot test any further.

What you are trying to do is like expecting Photoshop CC to work on Windows 95 or earlier- backward compatibility has its limitations.

You could go through your image again but saving it as PSP7 compatible after each change and then work out what change makes the difference. Please report back here with the results of your experiments so that others may learn.
Might be an idea for your earlier Jasc PSP versions to update - it is not really that hard and they mey be able to get some of the earlier post X2 versions on Amazon or Ebay from some shops (not private sellers as they may have used all the installation numbers allowed). Not sure how far along will still work on Windows XP though.

[Bonjovicrzy]

JoeB .

I apologize for not being able to read and understanding my post .
From my screen I can see everything fine and everything is spaced on mt desktop and thank you for your help......


Hartpaul

I want to thank you very much for the help I did a test I did everything like before then I saved in every version....
I did not do filters or plugins only colored from white to 50% grey rotate and the resize and duplicate layers and merge & move tools.and renamed layers ...
On My Test I only had problems with 7 saving and opening all other versions showed the group layers and all versions except for 7 for me...
Even sent the files to the people still have the older psp 7 -9 and 7-8 version showed layers merge....
PSP 9 showed the layers and groups they said ....
Trying to get the people to upgrade computer and paint shop pro is not easy thing I post every time Corel ha a sell ...
They swear the will use Windows XP and PSP 7-9 till their computer dies ...

Hartpaul Thank you for talking the time and testing it for me and all the help...

I told the people I was going to start saving PSP 9 and no earlier....

I am not going to worry for PSP 7 and 8 maybe if they start having problems getting new supplies that works...
They will upgrade paint shop pro doubt it though.. thanks again...

[JoeB]

JoeB .

I apologize for not being able to read and understanding my post ......

That's not what I said. I certainly was able to read your post and obviously - eventually - understood it because I gave you a possible explanation for your issue. I said it was difficult to do so. So, to ensure that I didn't respond in a way that created a misunderstanding, I've set it out more explicitly below.

From my screen I can see everything fine and everything is spaced on mt desktop and thank you for your help

That's the problem - or one of them anyway - as you'd realize if you read my post a bit more carefully. Yes, all of the letters are clear on my monitor, and all the letters (characters) are evenly spaced and there are separations between the words. BUT there are no proper separations between the different sentences in your original post. That larger, second paragraph is run together as if it was only once sentence rather than many sentences in one paragraph -- and even then the first word of the paragraph does not even start with an upper case letter.

And sentences aren't just separated with spaces. You do so by making the first letter of the first word of any and all sentences an upper case letter and by placing a period (dot) at the end of that (and each) sentence. As you did that for the most part with your subsequent post I'm sure that I'm just stating something that is obvious to you.

So, in fact, I was certainly able to "read" your first post. But to "understand" it I had to mentally read until a word didn't fit the previous words as part of a sentence, then make the mental decision that the previous word should have had a period at the end of it and that the word I was now on should have had an upper case letter to start. In other words, I had to dissect your paragraph rather than you having done so using the normal conventions. The clarity of the letters on my monitor and the spacing between letters and/or words had nothing to do with the issue I mentioned.

And thanks for the thanks for my attempt to help - and you're welcome.

[hartpaul]

Have to agree with Joe about lack of punctuation. It does make a difference.
Here is a humorous site that illustrates this:
https://digitalsynopsis.com/tools/punct ... les-usage/

To take an example your sentence :
"
I want to thank you very much for the help I did a test I did everything like before then I saved in every version...."

can be a bit confusing when what you mean is :

'I want to thank you very much for the help. I did a test. I did everything like before then I saved in every version....'

or even more clearly for a fast read:

I want to thank you very much for the help.
I did a test.
I did everything like before then I saved in every version....

If people cannot understand your questions they will glance at your problem and then ignore it. If you want answers then you must phrase and punctuate clearly .
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The other thing of course is to give those people the images and a set of instructions so they can do the operations for themselves on their XP machines and ancient PSP versions.
But as you indicated you will only save for PSP 9 and up now, so they will have to either drop out or upgrade.

I note that you mentioned PSP8 showed a merge . I found that mine did not and opened in PSP 8.00 and showed the layer groups.

I would be curious to see a sample image that you have done which still merges. There must still be something that is supported in PSP 2018 but not supported in PSP 8.

I have uploaded a pspfile as a zip file for you to test with your PSP8 . It opens correctly in my PSP8.

MergedGroupsPSP8small.zip

(140.36 KiB) Downloaded 135 times

[Jean-Luc]

I would be curious to see a sample image that you have done which still merges. There must still be something that is supported in PSP 2018 but not supported in PSP 8.

Perhaps text when written with the new features (wrap, inside shape, etc.) ?

[JoeB]

Have to agree with Joe about lack of punctuation. It does make a difference.
Here is a humorous site that illustrates this:
https://digitalsynopsis.com/tools/punct ... les-usage/

A very interesting link, which should be a "must read" for anyone who does much writing. While this is OT, I have always deplored the fact that many publications' style guides started making the Oxford (serial) comma optional or even considered unnecessary "unless required to prevent confusion". That's just plain ridiculous because that leaves it up to the writer to determine whether or not he/she thinks it's use is required, and then - if not used in a particular instance - assumes that no reader will be confused as to the statement's intention. If it was required in all cases where the final word was a separate part of the list rather than meant to be part of the meaning of the penultimate word then there would never be any interpretation needed by writers or readers. Why organizations whose main tools are printed words would want to opt for a new grammatical style change that has to potential for causing confusion rather than just keep the original style that completely eliminates the possibility of confusion is a complete mystery to me.

[Bonjovicrzy]

Thank You hartpaul & JoeB .
I am not sure why the file would not open in psp 8 . , But I am just going by what the people said.they could not open it , Here is the file if you want to look at it.,
It works for me when I open it., Thank You for the help..

[hartpaul]

Hi Bonjovicrzy,
Tested your image in PSP8.0 and it opens up correctly with all those layers in Windows 10 version 1607.

[bruce1951]

Folks keep in mind that English may not be everyones first language.

bruce

[JoeB]

Folks keep in mind that English may not be everyones first language.

Assuming you might be referring to my and Jean-Luc's posts, I definitely agree about that. I'm always impressed by people who have made what is often a difficult effort to learn English as a second language. And grammar is very difficult to learn in a second language. I've never been successful - or perhaps persistent enough - at trying to learn another language. And I'm sure most of us recognize - and don't comment - when a post seems to indicate a second language.

But we weren't commenting on the OP's grammar. All languages that I'm aware of use punctuation, and most use punctuation similar to that used with the English language. Punctuation was never an issue with my attempts to learn French, for example, just remembering the words and the grammar differences. And the OP's subsequent posts indicate that he/she has no real problem dealing with punctuation in English. The relatively good used of paragraph breaks but not sentence breaks in the initial post indicated the same thing.

The OP's grammar did not seem noticeably out of place to me. I'd suggest that anyone using English as a second language with relatively decent grammar like that must also be familiar with the basic punctuation protocols. I have read and responded to many posts from people obviously using English as a second language - obvious from the grammar even when they didn't mention it. But virtually all of them capitalized the initial letter of sentences and used periods at the end of them. The only people I've run across who don't do so have generally been younger people who got into the bad habit through texting, twitter, etc., aiming for speed and/or fewer characters rather than comprehension as their first goal.