NewBlue Titler Pro 5 Crash

[Oman]

I was hoping to apply an effect to a title created with the titler 5 pro plugin and just the title. Effects can be added to the limited built-in titler generated clips with no problem. You however have to have a base clip in order to use the FX based titler plugin. I created a transparent PNG clip for my base clip (this is a perfectly legit thing to do in other editors that support FX plugins) and dropped a Pro 5 title onto it. VS2018 crashed hard. I then created the same PNG with all pixels at 255 alpha and it didn't crash. The Pro 5 titler is the only plugin that I have found that crashes with a base clip with pixels <255 opacity.

The crash is in the Title20.vft stub. Does NewBlue handle support for the version that comes with VS or does Corel?


Thanks

Jon

[thefrenky]

As far as I can tell you, I am struggling to even load the software with NewBlue Title Pro, I did open a ticked but the tech guy didn't manage to help me so far.

[Scubbie]

Hello Oman,

Yes you do need to put the NB Titler Pro 5 on a clip, rather than it's own title, such as with the normal titles. You could put it on a black background, or add it to a short clip. If you don't have a short clip, cut an existing clip either side to create a 5-10 second piece and add the NB Titler Pro 5 FX to that piece.

It isn't ideal, but does work.

Do save the effect within the titler editor too as a project. This makes it easier to reuse/duplicate in other points within your project.

[PhanZero]

That works, sure... but it's not really the best solution. In every other NLE it works and it's a common workflow to add the Titler Pro FX to another layer, not your base clip. If only for transparency control.

Really need this to be fixed; not in VS 2019 but now!

[Scubbie]

Hello PhanZero,

You're absolutely correct that it isn't ideal. I haven't any experience of many other NLEs so I'll bow to your knowledge of them. However, NB Titler Pro 5 isn't the only additional titler which behaves this way.

proDAD Script, Boris BCC Title Studio and Boris Graffiti 7.0 all behave in the same way within Corel VS and have done since I've been using it. I would love each to be able to be inserted as a title on their own track. I will often carry a title aross different clips and more often run multiple titles within one longer clip. This limitation is one reason I rarely use these four titlers.

The new 3D Titler works in a better way and I'm far happier with it as it allows you to place it in timeline as it's own piece/clip. Of course it doesn't have many of the functions which the other titlers can offer.

[PhanZero]

I'm using VS since back in the days when it was Ulead VideoStudio. I didn't made every upgrade since then, but most (since X7 I made every upgrade IIRC). I've learned my way around the limitations of VS, same as you did and wouldn't want to switch to another editor as I've become used to the workflow of VS.

Sure a lot of plugins have their issues within VS, but this shouldn't prevent Corel from properly integrating these instead of just slapping them on VS as just another selling point. Actually I'm using the technique you described (cutting the base clip and then adding TP5 on one of it) which is good, but it could be more flexible if they had done it properly. AFAIK most of the plugins you mentioned work as you said in other applications (e.g. they can be added as overlay), just not in VS. That leads me to ask: Why is this the case?

See, I'm happy to have TP5 within VS, I really am! But it could be so much more and I really don't see why us users/customers shouldn't ask for a better integration, which absolutely is possible. I just hope one day they'll get it right so these plugins can really shine...

[Scubbie]

I totally agree with you there.

In a recent mini-project, I had to change the backing track as it wasn't Ok on FB, yet was on YouTube. This also meant I had to adjust the timings a little and this affected the titles. I hate to have done that via NB TP5. It was only a fraction of a second this way or the other but it would have been a nightmare.

[TonyP]

NBFX TP5 in Vegas Pro 15 Suite can be overlayed onto a video (it is listed in Video FX tab) or placed on the timeline all by itself (Media Generator tab). So in this instance, I too would love to see it function on it's own in the Overlay/Title track. It does take a while to load up when you click on it's icon, even when it's on a SSD.

Boris BCC Title Studio in Vegas Pro functions basically the same way as in VS2018 and it only listed in the Video FX tab meaning you can "basically" only add it to a video and not to a track by itself sort of, although I can in Composite Mode it can placed on a track by itself as an overlay. The way it functions in Vegas is the way it will work in any software that uses the OFX standard, including Davinci Resolve, Nuke, Maya, Edius, Fusion, Autodesk, Hitfilm, etc..
How Title Studio is integrated into VS, I do not know, but going by other applications that use it in the OFX standard, the way it works "here" is the way it was designed.

How the same plugins work vary from editor to editor. Some features are available in one, are not available in others. While again, I would like to see them be able to operate without having to place them on top of "video" on a track, just having them is a benefit considering the cost of each as a standalone/plugin is more than the entire cost of VS2018. So, it's a trade-off of sorts, and one I am willing to live with in order to have the plugins. It's not "perfect", but that's "me".

[iNate]

Hi again [Redacted],

After testing I am reproducing the same bug. Thanks for reporting this.

I have reported this to our developers. Do to developmental priorities I am currently unsure of when a fix may be implemented.

-[Redacted]
NewBlueFX
(Our support hours are Monday - Friday, 9am to 6pm Pacific Time.)

People are arguing about how things behave. The way BCC Title Studio behaves in VS2018 is the expected behavior that any video editor would expect for Titling Tools that do not act as generators. This is the way BCC Title Studio had to be used in DaVinci Resolve in the past, for example (not sure if this is still the case).

The behavior with NewBlueFX Titler Pro 5 in VideoStudio 2018 is an obvious bug, with Titler Pro 5. The fact that it completely crashes the NLE instead of just erring out or not allowing you to drop it on the image makes that blatantly obvious.

It's been confirmed as a bug by NewBlueFX after reproduction on their end.

Good luck with a fix, though.

IMO, the obvious workaround is to simply not use NewBlue Titler Pro 5 and use BCC Title Studio, instead.

Thankfully, they didn't drop Title Studio from the Bundle when they added NB Titler. That created redundancy that saves affected people from this [otherwise] major issue.