4:2:2 10 bit video files

[Phil]

Hi, I was talking to Auz in the tech team and he tested 6 types of 10 bit mp4 files (mix of 4k and 1080p) that the Panasonic GH5 can produce. It appears that VSP 2018 is now accepting these to the timeline - that's good news. I'm still on VSP x9

Is anyone else using these files types in VSP and with what results or teething problems?

Thanks

[lata]

Hi
I am sure if Austin has confirmed that the files work that would be good enough for me.

If you are able to provide a link to the samples I am sure some of the guys will download and test the files.
I do not have Pana GH5 so do not have access to those types.

At the moment I am running the Trial version with some problems that the full version did not show, but again willing to test your files.

Your other option is to bite the bullet and purchase CVSX10 Ultimate, If not satisfied request a refund, 30 days grace…

[Phil]

An update on this subject. I have pointed out to Austin at technical support that whilst the clips can be added to the timeline, VSP Ultimate 2018

1/ cannot copy the properties of the clip into project properties so that a video can be easily rendered

2/ cannot provide any other 10 bit alternatives

3/ cannot render "same as first clip"

I have asked Austin to try these tests out and even his PC crashed, confirming the problems. I have left it with him and VSP to provide a fix for this.

For the admin guys here, will you also feed this back to Corel?

[bifer]

I can confirm that VS2018 has a lot of problems with it ...
When I create a new project and add the first movie it usually ask me to take over properties from the clip to the project.
If I do it with my GH5 movie (10Bit FHD at 60p with datarate of 125000kbps) I say yes and verything seems fine. I add the other movies to the timeline and want to safe either of two things happen VS2018 aborts and dies or sometimes I can save the project, but then immediatly the project properties change to this:
"MPEG-4-Dateien
24 Bit, 352 x 288, 15 fps
Bild-basiert
MPEG-4 SP-Video: 500 kbps
44100 Hz, 16 Bit, Stereo
MPEG AAC-Audio: 128 kbps"

If I decide not to safe the project and immediately move on to render with "same as project" it also changes the project to the above 352*288 pixel. I created an render option of 1080p, 60p, 100Mbps / 99.999 kbps (to come as close to the 125.000 of the orginal) at 256kbps audio. When I try to choose it, it changes the data rate to 34463kbps.
And when I then finally start the rendering it changes the project to 512*288 pixel ....

And sometimes when I change from the completed timeliine to the output, VS2018 also aborts and dies.

The camera is 1 year old and Corel still doesn't support this premium high end camera of this manufacturer.

I had the same experience over at ASP3.

More and more dissappointment about Corel.

[Charlie Wilkes]

You may have to wait for VS 2019 on this. Or maybe VS 2022.

Meanwhile, for 1080/60p, you should be able to use VirtualDub2 to transcode your camera files to Cineform and edit those with VS.

For 4k, you may need a better NLE.

I don't think Corel is to blame. The fault lies with peasants like me, with cell phones and GoPro knockoffs and cheap laptops. Corel can't readily serve us and you with the same product, and there are more of us.

[bifer]

Well, I'm not fully understanding what you try to tell,

But I'm probably not waiting for VS2022 and maybe even for VS2019 my patience with Corel is too little by my experiences over the last 3 years. I might need to go to a software manufacturer who is able from day 1 (at least most of the time) of releases of the premium cameras of a HW manufacturer to support them.

[canuck]

Well, I'm not fully understanding what you try to tell,

But I'm probably not waiting for VS2022 and maybe even for VS2019 my patience with Corel is too little by my experiences over the last 3 years. I might need to go to a software manufacturer who is able from day 1 (at least most of the time) of releases of the premium cameras of a HW manufacturer to support them.

Good luck with finding a software manufacturer (in the VS price category) that can fulfill your high demands

[Charlie Wilkes]

Well, I'm not fully understanding what you try to tell,

But I'm probably not waiting for VS2022 and maybe even for VS2019 my patience with Corel is too little by my experiences over the last 3 years. I might need to go to a software manufacturer who is able from day 1 (at least most of the time) of releases of the premium cameras of a HW manufacturer to support them.

My point is that VS is a good choice for mainstream users because it is simple, inexpensive and runs on almost any computer. Your camera is way above mainstream. You might want to look at a high-end NLE that will let you make the most of the video you can shoot with it.

[Phil]

Let's not get away from the obligations that Corel have. They offer a product that accepts 4:2:2 10 bit video files. To a certain degree, they can be edited. Then........no option to render in the same format. So Corel need to make up their mind.

They should be aware of the changing options in the video market for consumer and prosumer cameras and they should be aware of the fixes that are still outstanding in VS2018

Meanwhile, I am still waiting on a progress update sent on 11th April 2018. I first reported this problem in early March 2018

[Scubbie]

For the record, I love my two Panasonic 4:3 cameras. I was asked to put together a proposal for a 4K camera that can be used in an underwater housing and the Panasonic GH5 with its stabilisation system, fantastic white balance and selection of lens answered the call.

It's compact enough to be useful. The camera can be used for both video and photographs easily. Battery life would be sufficient for a dive. Added to all this the ability to connect an external screen and mic, the camera would be ideal.

From a personal point of view, I really would prefer not to have to spend additional money on a new NLE and have to learn all about that as well. I know what I would be advised to do and it would be to go with Adobe's software, which would work better on a Mac, which I'm also unfamiliar with. Lots of learning curves all add to delayed production schedules and reduced quality of the final product.

Sure Adobe is better than VS but it is also considerably more expensive and outside my personal budget.

[aljimenez]

I also have Panasonic cameras: GH2, GH4, GX85 and love their very high quality videos and photos. I recall when 4K first came out in the GH4 and VS had lots of growing pains with it. New cameras are made all the time and software makers are not told ahead of time about them and in fact the file specs are not shared.

This 4:2:2 10 BIT video files came out with the GH5. There have been great growing pains everywhere with these files. I read many of the forums that discuss the Panasonic cameras and VS is not alone misshandling these files. Everyone who is on the leading edge should expect lots of issues and should complain like you are doing. Fixes will not happen quickly, however as leading edge users are not many. I recommend you enjoy VS allowing editing of your new files and render to something more current like 4K30P which is probably what most of the consumers of your project output will expect at this time.

[Scubbie]

The GH5 has been out for more than a year already. I was hoping that Corel, with Pinnacle and Roxio, would have invested a little more to get this completed by now.

[bifer]

. New cameras are made all the time and software makers are not told ahead of time about them and in fact the file specs are not shared.

This I cannot agree with. These cameras are out for interested companies/people ahead of time. Corel could just ask Panasonic to get one camera. I believe this is what Adobe does. It is not about VS now, but I want to make my point clear with Corel's problem as a software manufacturesr. For example Corel needed 9 months to support the RAW's of the GH5 in ASP3. Adobe with lightroom did it more or less from day 1. Same for the LX100 I own, too. The lens correction found it way into ASP3 after 3 years! The 12-60mm Leica sold in the better Kit of the GH5(s) is 1 year old with no lens correction support yet.

I believe the same lacking does Corel have with VideoStudio.

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Fixes will not happen quickly, however as leading edge users are not many.

Well, that fixes don't happen quickly is my experience with all Corel products by now. In my opinion I never really had advantage of the the better price, because with either LX100 or GH5 I really couldn't have good use of the Corel software. I can only use it for my old Canon and Nikon cameras bought before 2010, but that's ceratinly not a PLUS arguement for Corel software.

[asik1]

I don't understand those who happily shell more than $2K for high end cameras but can't spare few extra $ for a proper NLE software.

[bifer]

I don't understand those who happily shell more than $2K for high end cameras but can't spare few extra $ for a proper NLE software.

Yes. You are absolutely right. The point that I wanted to continue with Corel was that in my former PC Corel products were bundled and I already knew it. But I didn't have the high end cameras back then. I am still a hobbyist user and wanted to work with my private made movies. And I have no intention to change my computer ecosystem and include Apple.