How to switch off 'Manage'?

[terrypin]

Although no one has so far suggested it, I'm wondering whether my load times for PSP 2 of 2 to 5 minutes could be due to its 'Manage' feature, at least partly.

How can I completely disable that please? I've just added many 'excluded folders' but the subsequent restart took 220 secs. (Almost 4 minutes!) I don't need PSP to 'manage' my files in any way. I primarily use Windows File Explorer for that, supplemented occasionally by other reliable tools that start with a click.

[hartpaul]

1. Use an alternative virus checker program - Defender seems to be causing a lot of problems. I use free AVG, Malwarebytes and Spybot Search and destroy and also Zone Alarm as the firewall. These all have free versions.
2. Use General program preferences to always start in Edit mode.
3. Have Manage tab, but set to Computer and no other folders selected.

[Kathy_9]

I'm wondering whether my load times for PSP 2 of 2 to 5 minutes could be due to its 'Manage' feature, at least partly.

How can I completely disable that please?

Go to File -> Preferences -> General Program Preferences -> Tabs and untick the box for Manage and/or Adjust.

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[terrypin]

Thanks Kathy but I already have it set to open at Edit. What I was hoping was to remove it completely so that it could not contribute in any way to my startup time problem.

But see the very recent promising developments I've posted about in http://forum.corel.com/EN/viewtopic.php ... 5&start=15

[JoeB]

Thanks Kathy but I already have it set to open at Edit. What I was hoping was to remove it completely so that it could not contribute in any way to my startup time problem.

If you are opening in Edit then Manage will not likely be contributing to any slowdown. I'm not knowledgeable enough to know if it actually does anything if you don't open that tab but suspect it doesn't because the first time I go to the Manage tab, even after PSP has been open for awhile, the thumbnails take time (not much, but perceptible) to load/refresh. But in Manage I use the Computer option, not Collections. If - and I stress "if" - Manage works in the background when PSP loads then the Collections option (based on some other threads I've read in the past) might take longer and use more resources to update the collections.

[Ken Berry]

Please see http://forum.corel.com/EN/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=63104 for news from Corel on a forthcoming temporary fix to the slowdown issue.

[Kathy_9]

What I was hoping was to remove it completely so that it could not contribute in any way to my startup time problem.

Take note in the screen shot I previously posted above in my original reply that in addition to Edit being set as the default I also unchecked Manage and Adjust. Now when I load PSP2018 neither Manage nor Adjust loads.

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[flagpole]

1. Use an alternative virus checker program - Defender seems to be causing a lot of problems. I use free AVG, Malwarebytes and Spybot Search and destroy and also Zone Alarm as the firewall. These all have free versions.
2. Use General program preferences to always start in Edit mode.
3. Have Manage tab, but set to Computer and no other folders selected.

What problems is defender causing?

[hartpaul]

What problems is defender causing?

The OP was concerned with starting times and the effect of Manage.
I mentioned my setup and my times are already recorded in a table elsewhere.
As to Defender problems , this thread is concerned with slow downs being caused by defender and some cloud based checks:
http://forum.corel.com/EN/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=63075

This thread was concerned with Defender removing a dll and so preventing PSP from opening:
http://forum.corel.com/EN/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=63098

[terrypin]

What I was hoping was to remove it completely so that it could not contribute in any way to my startup time problem.

Take note in the screen shot I previously posted above in my original reply that in addition to Edit being set as the default I also unchecked Manage and Adjust. Now when I load PSP2018 neither Manage nor Adjust loads.

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Thanks Kathy, I'd missed that.

[MarkZ]

I've been following the various posts about slow start times for PSP but have not paid much attention because I feel my start times are reasonable, until I saw this question about switching off Manage and decided to do some testing. My short answer is that having the Manage tab available has no effect on start time or performance. Here are other observations:

I observed the Thumbs directory in C:\Users\User Name\AppData\Local\Corel PaintShop Pro\2018\Thumbs while testing. PSP2018 behaves differently than previous versions. When it is closed, the files in Thumbs are kept but the next time it is opened, all the thumbs except for the current folder in Navigator are deleted - in previous versions this was not done. Depending on how many folders of thumbs were created the last time the program was used, this takes some seconds. In my system, if the number of folders was none or one, it took about 15-19 sec. to open PSP in Edit mode. If there were many folders (22, 29) the time was in the region of 33 - 39 sec. Not too bad but the difference is significant. This also likely explains why so many report that the second time the program is opened when testing, it is faster. The first time it has residue from a previous session. The second time it is opened is likely before the user has done any work with it so the Thumbs directory is almost empty. I'm sure some of you will test this out and empty Thumbs before closing PSP; then the first start should be no different than the second.

So where do the thumbs come from? If you drag an image to the program, for example from explorer, no thumb is created. If you have organizer open, the active folder will create a file in Thumbs. And each time you click on a folder in Navigator, a file is created for that folder, even though you may not open an image from the folder. So if you click on 20 folders, there will be 20 files created in Thumbs containing thumbs for all the images in the folders. This applies equally to Collections and Computer. So the fact that Manage is available has no effect on this.

However - using Manage can increase the folders in Thumbs. As with Organizer, clicking on folders in Manage causes files to be created in Thumbs. But if you leave Manage active entries are added to Thumbs from Collections. Let's say you accessed five folders in Manage and left PSP open with Manage selected, in the background additional files will be created, so you may come back and find there are 25 files in Thumbs, not five. I don't know what the logic is as to what is included. I use Manage/Collections regularly but try to keep Collections to a few regularly used folders. But most people would use Manage briefly and go back to Edit. Unless you're working on tags and People, etc.

A bug I've discovered is that if you leave PSP idle in the background with Manage selected while you go to another application, after some time it crashes. Perhaps it feels neglected.

I was thinking about why I haven't been bothered about PSP start times. I think that it is because of my practice of initiating the program and then going on to emails or news on the internet while it does its thing. Fortunately it rarely crashes so I don't have repeat the procedure. I am much more bothered by some of the built-in inefficiencies in the program that waste hours of time cumulatively and the developers refuse to address. Such as having to repeatedly resize some windows when it would be better to have the program remember the settings.

[JoeB]

Some nice troubleshooting there, Mark. I can see where there will be some slowdown depending on the number of folders clicked on or otherwise used in the previous session. But I'm wondering if those people reporting launch times in terms of minutes really have that many redundant thumbs that have to be deleted by PSP.

[Ken Berry]

I happen to be working on a computer right now which I have just done a complete reset on, running Win 10 Home. I have just installed PSP 2018. That Thumbs folder Mark has identified has only 8 thumbs in it, of the preset photos which come with PSP. First start-up time on the newly rebooted computer was exactly 50 seconds, which is better than the 70 seconds it takes on my main computer. That one has a lot more thumbs in that folder, but regardless, I still find 50 seconds very slow. Restart time on this computer is 15 seconds.

I noticed, by the way, that during the startup processes, which are barely visible as they're white against a pale background, that one of the processes, just before opening, is "Updating caches". Hardly surprising but consistent with Mark's theory.

[bruce1951]

Excuse any double posts but something happened while I was typing!!!

Over the years this forum has had many many threads on PSP's slow start up speeds. I have stopped at PSPx8. On my old i3 Win 7 laptop I had to wait 15 seconds or more for first start up. Current i5 laptop with Win 8.1 start up is about 9 second. 2 - 3 seconds on subsequent start ups. Heck even my old desk top only takes 15 - 20 seconds to start up PSPx8.
On all my computers I have approx 500gig of images. All in the Pictures folder and sub folders. Anyone waiting 60 seconds has way more patience than me.

I run only photo editing software. A few spreadsheets and documents. No games. Plus the internet.

So why don't I have issues? I use different systems. I use different computers.

So my theory is that it is not a PSP/Corel issue as such. But rather a combination of PSP/Corel and what 'other' tasks are being done by the users. I would love to point the finger squarely at Corel and yell FIX IT. But alas that wont work.

Maybe someone needs to collate all the software that is being run on 'offending' users systems and look for a common thread. Maybe it's as simple as a clash with a firewall program. Maybe a browser. Or any number of pieces of software combinations.

But to just point the finger at PSP/Corel is a bit unfair. There needs to be a more in depth study.

bruce

EDIT - I need to point out some background. Years ago I studied for a Certificate, diploma and degree in computing. I specialised in system analysis. Hence my querying the fact that some folks have the slow load issues while other don't. To find the 'real' cause there needs to be more than a simple interrogation of PSP itself.

[flagpole]

Excuse any double posts but something happened while I was typing!!!

Over the years this forum has had many many threads on PSP's slow start up speeds. I have stopped at PSPx8. On my old i3 Win 7 laptop I had to wait 15 seconds or more for first start up. Current i5 laptop with Win 8.1 start up is about 9 second. 2 - 3 seconds on subsequent start ups. Heck even my old desk top only takes 15 - 20 seconds to start up PSPx8.
On all my computers I have approx 500gig of images. All in the Pictures folder and sub folders. Anyone waiting 60 seconds has way more patience than me.

I run only photo editing software. A few spreadsheets and documents. No games. Plus the internet.

So why don't I have issues? I use different systems. I use different computers.

So my theory is that it is not a PSP/Corel issue as such. But rather a combination of PSP/Corel and what 'other' tasks are being done by the users. I would love to point the finger squarely at Corel and yell FIX IT. But alas that wont work.

Maybe someone needs to collate all the software that is being run on 'offending' users systems and look for a common thread. Maybe it's as simple as a clash with a firewall program. Maybe a browser. Or any number of pieces of software combinations.

But to just point the finger at PSP/Corel is a bit unfair. There needs to be a more in depth study.

bruce

EDIT - I need to point out some background. Years ago I studied for a Certificate, diploma and degree in computing. I specialised in system analysis. Hence my querying the fact that some folks have the slow load issues while other don't. To find the 'real' cause there needs to be more than a simple interrogation of PSP itself.

As I've said before: it may not be Corel's fault, but it's certainly their problem.

Similarly if my website didn't work in a major browser despite being to spec that would also not be my fault but it would be my problem.