Win 10 issues so why stay with Win 10?

[bruce1951]

OK just a shot in the dark here.
I read so many threads that put Win 10 as the villain at the root of so many issues.

So to the 'experts' I ask - why stay with Win 10? Why stay with any Windows based op system?

Can the 'average' user switch to Linux or Ubuntu without too much effort?
And importantly to PSP users will PSP run happily on a non Win platform?

I ask because I just 'broke' my old laptop. The repair tech suggested I upgrade my other one from Win 8.1 to Win 10. No thanks I just don't like change.
But if change is coming in the form of a new laptop that has Win 10 on it is it viable to consider an alternative?

bruce

[LeviFiction]

I have no real issues with Windows 10. Except for my audio drivers. To be fair my laptop doesn't officially support Windows 8 at all. The last drives for this very specific model of sound card don't exist for later versions of Windows. Which was so weird to discover, I usually buy PC because I don't have that problem. Doesn't matter, as sound still works with headphons even if the speakers don't. Anyway, so long as the parts and drives are decent and work well with the system most people shouldn't experience a problem with most software on Windows 10.

EDIT: Sorry, Wubi support apparently ended a few versions ago. I didn't realize. So if you want dual boot support you'll have to do disk partitioning and follow some guides. Which is a shame. I liked wubi.

Basic full installation to replace Windows is pretty pain-free. Of course there is the learning curve for any new OS. I never got PSP to run under Wine in the past, no idea if it's possible now. If not then you'll need a virtual machine and a Windows install to run PSP on a Linux/Unix system.

Or Crossover for Linux claims it might be able to run PSP. Don't know how well though. Again I haven't tried it.

I'm pleased with Windows 10, it works well for me. Even with my dinosaur of a laptop.

[bruce1951]

Thanks LeviFiction. What's scaring me the most with Win 10 is the 'forced' updating.I'm on a limited internet service. (Limited data allowance and bandwidth). I fear going to a new computer with Win 10. With the 'apparent' Win 10/PSP issues and the forced updates I'm looking at alternatives.

bruce

[LeviFiction]

The only thing I can tell you is updates can be dealt with. All things I've read suggest that in your case you'd want to set your Internet connection to "metered" which will stop all updates. You can create install media (usb or cd) to install the latest updates when they are considered stable.

These articles might help

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-set- ... windows-10

https://www.guidingtech.com/48828/delay ... indows-10/

[CHoffman]

Windows 10 is the best OS I've ever had. My connection is just plain DSL and updates are no problem. I just let it do them at night, but even if they happen during the day it's no big deal. You DO want it to update automatically. I have NONE of the problems others seem to have, with PSP or anything else, but I take great care to keep my system clean. I rely only on the Window Defender, not running any 3rd party AV. Unless you spend time on the dark web or questionable sites, that's all that seems to be necessary. I DO run a 3rd party hosts file to deal with ads and pop-ups. I admit to being terrified of going to 10, but now I'd do it in a second. It works and it works well. Nobody wants to consider that their system might have a botched installation or some hardware problems, but it only makes sense to run a security suite and deep memory test if you have problems with crashes and such. Security Tango and Memtest86+ are good places to start, though I know I'm wasting my breath because most people would rather complain than fix things.

[rondo]

Way too many users reporting problems with PSP & Windows 10 after Fall Creators update for it to be anything the user has done wrong on installation or their system.
Problems also appearing for Corel Painter not working properly.
While Corel can't control Windows 10 forced updates, they certainly are not monitoring the impairing effects on their software in order to develop patches.

[JoeB]

Way too many users reporting problems with PSP & Windows 10 after Fall Creators update for it to be anything the user has done wrong on installation or their system.
Problems also appearing for Corel Painter not working properly.
While Corel can't control Windows 10 forced updates, they certainly are not monitoring the impairing effects on their software in order to develop patches.

I tend to agree - there have been way too many issues reported (and who knows how many not reported here) since the Creators update(s) to dismiss Windows 10 as the culprit. Yes, given that some people don't seem to have those issues is also an indicator that some system specific configurations - different hardware, software, registries and whatever else happens behind the scenes - can contribute to the problems. But there's little doubt that the relatively recent flood if issues started with the Creators updates and weren't initially caused by anyone's specific system because things worked fine before the updates.

As for Corel, unfortunately they seem to have some difficulty even keeping up with necessary patches for any bugs that are discovered in their releases, so it's stretching things to expect them to also be able to keep on top of the issues that might be caused by a constantly changing operating system.

[dwalby2]

I'm curious about the W10 update issues, specifically if the people having the problems are upgraders from older versions of Windows. I'm wondering if too many people decided that a free W10 upgrade was too good an offer to refuse, so they tried it, and MSFT isn't really good at testing out all their updates on a wide enough spectrum of systems so the older systems sometimes get hosed. I hope its that, and not that W10 is such a POS that its not stable on any system, I have a work laptop that runs W10 and its been OK so far.

[bruce1951]

No one has yet answered my question. Once you have Win 10 installed on your computer how big a download can a user expect with each update?

I read 3 - 4 gig. But I'm assuming that is for an initial install. Even so that would take me a day or so to down load. That's assuming I have no drop outs. It would also consume 50% of my monthly data allowance. Are the folks at Microsoft smoking something or do they not realise that some folks don't live in lalaland with highspeed internet and endless data and bandwidth?

bruce

[Ken Berry]

If you are talking about the major updates (1533 > 1706 > 1709) then yes, you are talking 3 - 4 GB each time. But in effect it is a total reinstall of Win 10, or just about. So you have to make your mind up about that since, once you have adopted Win 10, there is no going back after about 10 days... The regular update patches, usually once a month but occasionally every two weeks or so, are much smaller.

[bruce1951]

Thanks Ken.
Guess Win 8.1 is looking better every day!

bruce

[JoeB]

Thanks Ken.
Guess Win 8.1 is looking better every day!

bruce

Given your data limit situation I would say that's a good choice. And given the various issues with WIN 10 reported by many more people than just PSP users - issues which often change and affect even different computer users after various updates are rolled out - it makes Windows 8.1 even a better choice IMHO. I'd much prefer an OS whose quirks I know than jump into something that keeps evolving in unexpected ways and sometimes with unexpected results. It's bad enough coping with bugs in new releases of specific software packages without having to deal with bugs/issues created by the complete operating system! At least if PSP 2019, for example, turns out to be too buggy to endure I can always go back to 2019, X9, etc. Once you've committed to WIN 10 you're stuck with it. Unless, I guess, you start fresh, format your system drive, reinstall 8.1 and all of your programs again.

[LeviFiction]

Microsoft will end extended support of Windows 7 in 2020, Windows 8.1 in 2023. Mainstream support of Windows 8.1 has already ended as of January 9th of this year.

So Windows 8.1 will be all about security and not about general bug fixes. Just something to keep in mind. If you're good with that, then great.

I prefer Windows 10. I just like it more. The only problems I've had are related to PSP and an old sound driver that barely supports windows 8. And both I can live with.

As mentioned previously, Microsoft does allow you to access the updates in other ways and won't force you to download everything immediately using up your available bandwidth. With a metered connection setting Windows won't bother you with updates, you have to go get them yourself if you want them, and with the media creation tool you can download the latest full update of Windows 10 slowly over time, it allows for pausing the download and installation until you're ready. Heck if you have a friend with a better connection or can do it at work without getting into trouble you can just make a USB with the latest updates on it. This also allows you to wait until people declare the latest version "stable." So you're not forced into anything.

As for going back to Windows 8 if you don't like 10, I just used clonezilla to backup my harddrive to an external one. With all of my programs and settings already installed. It only takes a few hours over a slow USB connection. If I wanted to go back I would just startup my computer to the clonezilla usb I have, and copy it back. It's still waiting for me, I've just never felt the need to go back.

[Ken Berry]

Like Levi Fiction, I too simply like Windows 10 and have had remarkably few -- and always minor -- problems with it, though I acknowledge that many users have had significantly more, and serious, problems with it.

It will undoubtedly sound excessive to many of you, but in all I have 7 computers around the house running it, and they all do so without problems. One of them runs Win 10 Pro, the others have the Home version. One of them is a dual boot Win 7/Win 10, and two of them are tablets. At first I only did one computer -- the Win 10 Pro one -- but when I saw how well the system operated, I began the process of switching all the others over too. And as Levi has also said, for those with slow internet connections, this can be made easier by creating a disc or USB stick containing the major (and large) updates which can be done over time.

[JoeB]

As Levi pointed out, I did forget the option of doing a disc image with the proper software and preserving it as a way to do a complete rollback from Windows 10 to 8.1 (or even 7 if preferred) - plus installed programs - if a person wishes to try WIN 10 and still be able to go back.