Screencap ...The .3 FPS hiccups

Moderator: Ken Berry

Post Reply
User avatar
OBB
Posts: 111
Joined: Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:15 pm
operating_system: Windows 10
System_Drive: C
32bit or 64bit: 64 Bit
motherboard: Dell XPS Studio 8900
processor: 6th Gen i7-6700
ram: 32Gb
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 680 4Gb
sound_card: RME RayDat
Hard_Drive_Capacity: 6Tb
Monitor/Display Make & Model: Multiple
Corel programs: Painter15/Paintshop-pro/Sketch

Screencap ...The .3 FPS hiccups

Post by OBB »

While I've been using screencap for quite awhile now, there are times when it works just fine for most things but, for some other things 'it doesn't work so pretty well'

Is there anyway to use screencap in any other format besides .wmv? or set capture at 29.97fps? ... If so, how?

As far as I can tell from its settings it looks like the answer is NO & the .wmv format is at 20, 25 & 30fps only...

There are many bits & pieces I will record bits from here & there, load into X9 and make small 2,5,10 second loops etc... And I realize the frame drop of the .wmv capture at 25fps Vs. 29.97fps causes frame sync hiccups. So it made we wonder about the other option of capturing at 30fps and if I would still suffer the same issue from being above 29.97fps... Or even 60fps...

I know there is professional options (Vegas, AE & etc...) but they are a mile above my budget... About the only other option I keep running into on my searches is Movavi studio pro and the reviews seem to vary wildly,,, And then there is a plethora of options as freeware/sharewell as well but so far the few I tried seem to put me right back into the same boat ...as well as every single one came with malwares when tested thru the studio test machine...


Just looking for some insight... before spending the $50
Last edited by OBB on Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:07 pm, edited 2 times in total.
User avatar
lata
Site Admin
Posts: 14280
Joined: Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:21 am
operating_system: Windows 10
System_Drive: C
32bit or 64bit: 64 Bit
motherboard: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC A88XM-A USB 3 1 Rev X 0x
processor: 4 10 gigahertz AMD A10-7890K Radeon R7
ram: 16 gb
Video Card: on board
sound_card: Realtek High Definition Audio
Hard_Drive_Capacity: 500 SSD
Monitor/Display Make & Model: LG W2242 [Monitor]
Corel programs: CVSX, 19, 20, 22 PSP2023, PI, MS3D
Location: UK
Contact:

Re: Screencap above 25fps

Post by lata »

Hi

Live Screen Capture only records to WMV
We can set the frame rate to 15, 25 or 30fps, use the down arrow to view the context menu.

The maximum resolution we can capture is the resolution of our monitor, so a laptop will be smaller video size than a HD monitor, if that makes sense
New forum for PSP and VS users, register if you need help

https://psp-vs-forums.freeforums.net
User avatar
OBB
Posts: 111
Joined: Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:15 pm
operating_system: Windows 10
System_Drive: C
32bit or 64bit: 64 Bit
motherboard: Dell XPS Studio 8900
processor: 6th Gen i7-6700
ram: 32Gb
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 680 4Gb
sound_card: RME RayDat
Hard_Drive_Capacity: 6Tb
Monitor/Display Make & Model: Multiple
Corel programs: Painter15/Paintshop-pro/Sketch

Re: Screencap above 25fps

Post by OBB »

Kind of what I'm getting at but only part of the answer... I only capture from my main desktop... And it's always full screen at 1080p (or higher)

I used to do it by fire-wire from an external machine but sadly I no longer have a machine with fire-wire built on-board anymore... But I do have an add on FW card but my PCI slots aren't compatible (the new machines are all PCIe, I've tried using it with an adapter bet won't run). My old setup sync'd & captured perfectly frame for frame and never got the capture hiccup...

Are there any other options out there to get past the .3 FPS hiccup when capturing?
User avatar
Ken Berry
Site Admin
Posts: 22481
Joined: Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:36 pm
operating_system: Windows 11
System_Drive: C
32bit or 64bit: 64 Bit
motherboard: Gigabyte B550M DS3H AC
processor: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X
ram: 32 GB DDR4
Video Card: AMD RX 6600 XT
Hard_Drive_Capacity: 1 TB SSD + 2 TB HDD
Monitor/Display Make & Model: Kogan 32" 4K 3840 x 2160
Corel programs: VS2022; PSP2023; DRAW2021; Painter 2022
Location: Levin, New Zealand

Re: Screencap ...The .3 FPS hiccups

Post by Ken Berry »

30 fps is usually the shorthand way of saying "29.97 fps". But I simply don't know if the wmv used by Screencap really gives an exact 30 fps or the more accurate NTSC 29.97. I think you would need to test this yourself by subjecting a 30 fps wmv to a detailed codec analysis in a program such as MediaInfo: https://mediaarea.net/en/MediaInfo/Download/Windows
Ken Berry
User avatar
RobertOZ
Advisor
Posts: 2426
Joined: Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:50 am
operating_system: Windows 10
System_Drive: C
32bit or 64bit: 64 Bit
motherboard: Asus Prime B550M-A WI-FI AM4 mATX
processor: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3 6 GHz
ram: 16GB
Video Card: Asus Geforce GTX 1650 GDDR6 Driver 551 23
sound_card: Realtek High Definition Audio
Hard_Drive_Capacity: 7 TB
Monitor/Display Make & Model: Philips 32" IPS LED, Samsung 28" 3840x2160 UHD 4K
Corel programs: VS2018/21/22/23 & MS 3D, MCC XL
Location: Mornington, Vic. Australia

Re: Screencap ...The .3 FPS hiccups

Post by RobertOZ »

You could try the following free program

http://www.nchsoftware.com/capture/inde ... lIEALw_wcB

This program allows you to record in avi,wmv.flv,mpg and mp
User avatar
Ken Berry
Site Admin
Posts: 22481
Joined: Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:36 pm
operating_system: Windows 11
System_Drive: C
32bit or 64bit: 64 Bit
motherboard: Gigabyte B550M DS3H AC
processor: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X
ram: 32 GB DDR4
Video Card: AMD RX 6600 XT
Hard_Drive_Capacity: 1 TB SSD + 2 TB HDD
Monitor/Display Make & Model: Kogan 32" 4K 3840 x 2160
Corel programs: VS2022; PSP2023; DRAW2021; Painter 2022
Location: Levin, New Zealand

Re: Screencap ...The .3 FPS hiccups

Post by Ken Berry »

I use Ashampoo Snap which, while not free, is pretty cheap and does a good job. It also allows capture in a variety of formats -- though mp4 captures are said to be the dread 30 fps rather than 29.97 fps! :wink: I wonder, Robert, if the Debut program you recommend says the same thing for its own mp4 captures?
Ken Berry
User avatar
RobertOZ
Advisor
Posts: 2426
Joined: Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:50 am
operating_system: Windows 10
System_Drive: C
32bit or 64bit: 64 Bit
motherboard: Asus Prime B550M-A WI-FI AM4 mATX
processor: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3 6 GHz
ram: 16GB
Video Card: Asus Geforce GTX 1650 GDDR6 Driver 551 23
sound_card: Realtek High Definition Audio
Hard_Drive_Capacity: 7 TB
Monitor/Display Make & Model: Philips 32" IPS LED, Samsung 28" 3840x2160 UHD 4K
Corel programs: VS2018/21/22/23 & MS 3D, MCC XL
Location: Mornington, Vic. Australia

Re: Screencap ...The .3 FPS hiccups

Post by RobertOZ »

I have not used that program for many years, back in XP days, so never used it for any HD recordings, For normal Screen capture I use Camtasia 8 but even that only refers to 30 fps

Edit,
Just run a test with Camtasia, Using .mov quicktime profile there is a choice of frame rates from 8-60 fps, including 29.97 and 59.94
Attachments
Camtasia.jpg
tletter
Posts: 1278
Joined: Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:23 am
operating_system: Windows 10
System_Drive: C
32bit or 64bit: 64 Bit
processor: i7-3632QM
ram: 16GB
Video Card: NVIDIA RTX 3080
Hard_Drive_Capacity: 1TB
Corel programs: X4,X5,X6,X7,X8,X9,X10,2018,2019,2021
Location: Canada

Re: Screencap ...The .3 FPS hiccups

Post by tletter »

OBB wrote:I know there is professional options (Vegas, AE & etc...) but they are a mile above my budget.
You can use the Windows 10 native 'Game Bar' feature (pressing Win + G) as a screen capture tool (both screenshots and videos) without the need for any third-party software. However, it only works within an app, e.g. browser window, video player or VS. The Game Bar generates screenshots in PNG format and videos in MP4 format (FHD @ 30fps).

tletter
https://www.youtube.com/user/tletter
User avatar
OBB
Posts: 111
Joined: Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:15 pm
operating_system: Windows 10
System_Drive: C
32bit or 64bit: 64 Bit
motherboard: Dell XPS Studio 8900
processor: 6th Gen i7-6700
ram: 32Gb
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 680 4Gb
sound_card: RME RayDat
Hard_Drive_Capacity: 6Tb
Monitor/Display Make & Model: Multiple
Corel programs: Painter15/Paintshop-pro/Sketch

Re: Screencap ...The .3 FPS hiccups

Post by OBB »

Thanks, that's what I was looking for... I'll give these a try this week...
User avatar
OBB
Posts: 111
Joined: Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:15 pm
operating_system: Windows 10
System_Drive: C
32bit or 64bit: 64 Bit
motherboard: Dell XPS Studio 8900
processor: 6th Gen i7-6700
ram: 32Gb
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 680 4Gb
sound_card: RME RayDat
Hard_Drive_Capacity: 6Tb
Monitor/Display Make & Model: Multiple
Corel programs: Painter15/Paintshop-pro/Sketch

Re: Screencap ...The .3 FPS hiccups

Post by OBB »

Camtasia works perfect!

I wish there were options like that in screencap...
User avatar
RobertOZ
Advisor
Posts: 2426
Joined: Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:50 am
operating_system: Windows 10
System_Drive: C
32bit or 64bit: 64 Bit
motherboard: Asus Prime B550M-A WI-FI AM4 mATX
processor: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3 6 GHz
ram: 16GB
Video Card: Asus Geforce GTX 1650 GDDR6 Driver 551 23
sound_card: Realtek High Definition Audio
Hard_Drive_Capacity: 7 TB
Monitor/Display Make & Model: Philips 32" IPS LED, Samsung 28" 3840x2160 UHD 4K
Corel programs: VS2018/21/22/23 & MS 3D, MCC XL
Location: Mornington, Vic. Australia

Re: Screencap ...The .3 FPS hiccups

Post by RobertOZ »

You get what you are prepared to pay for, Camtasia is not cheap, but it is good

Snagit also from Tech Smith should be just as good, it being the stand alone capture program and it is only 25% of the cost of Camtasia
User avatar
OBB
Posts: 111
Joined: Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:15 pm
operating_system: Windows 10
System_Drive: C
32bit or 64bit: 64 Bit
motherboard: Dell XPS Studio 8900
processor: 6th Gen i7-6700
ram: 32Gb
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 680 4Gb
sound_card: RME RayDat
Hard_Drive_Capacity: 6Tb
Monitor/Display Make & Model: Multiple
Corel programs: Painter15/Paintshop-pro/Sketch

Re: Screencap ...The .3 FPS hiccups

Post by OBB »

Gave Snagit (free version) a whirl yesterday (and the NCH free one above as well)... both had the same minuscule frame hiccup as screencap... I'm guessing they all simply utilize a variable frame rate when capturing & rounded up to 30fps which is what cause the hiccup...

Darn! Snagit seemed much more affordable than their Camtasia counterpart... $200 Vs. $40... Darnit... Darnit... Darnit...

Normally, I have no issue with screencap's frame hiccup but the frame glitch becomes even more noticeable after you render the raw capture into a final project or re-render the single capture to a format other than .wmv.

I also made a few different templates for re-rendering them and it seems to make no difference re-rendering to mp4 or mov.. Both compound the hiccup & when going with mp4, it dropped a bit of quality (slightly pixelated)

Any chance the 2018 version of Videostudio-U & screencap has any more robust features than previous versions? ...or at least capture in different formats or in 60fps maybe? ... I figure maybe simply capturing at 60fps, the hiccup would be a bit less noticeable?
Post Reply