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flagpole wrote:You would be crazy to disable automatic updates.

It's a security issue.
I suppose it's a matter of how computer and surfing savvy a user is. I only have Windows 8.1 (on one computer for as many years as it was available and now installed on a new, custom built machine I got just over a year ago to replace the old one). I always keep automatic updates turned off - for Windows and all other programs. I surf and have surfed many sites over the years and have yet to get a malware infection. I have two active anti-virus software packages - AVG and Malwarebytes. I do not use Windows Defender at all - when I first had it years ago I found it just a PITA so have always kept it disabled.

On some sites I might not be familiar with but end up on from Google links when researching software, etc., Malwarebytes will pop up a notification that it has blocked a window, a redirect (which IE also warns me about), attempted malware, etc., so obviously I have surfed sites that might have malicious intention. But my AV software has done an excellent job of taking care of that. And of course I know better than to click on unknown links in emails or other messages (and I don't have either AV program monitor my emails because it just slows my email down way too much). I get so little spam email anyway that it's hardly a concern.

So I suspect that it's not always necessary for every user to keep Windows updated for what Microsoft considers necessary security updates - unless Windows 10 is so much more vulnerable to security breaches than my Windows 8.1 of course, or if people don't have software effective at monitoring surfing activity or unasked for incoming traffic. :-)
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Getting off topic but it's not just about security. Some folks, like me, simply haven't got an internet service that will allow constant 'abuse' from constant updating. Limited data allowance and bandwidth make it difficult. We don't all live in cities with high speed cheap internet.

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JoeB wrote:
flagpole wrote:You would be crazy to disable automatic updates.

It's a security issue.
I suppose it's a matter of how computer and surfing savvy a user is. I only have Windows 8.1 (on one computer for as many years as it was available and now installed on a new, custom built machine I got just over a year ago to replace the old one). I always keep automatic updates turned off - for Windows and all other programs. I surf and have surfed many sites over the years and have yet to get a malware infection. I have two active anti-virus software packages - AVG and Malwarebytes. I do not use Windows Defender at all - when I first had it years ago I found it just a PITA so have always kept it disabled.

On some sites I might not be familiar with but end up on from Google links when researching software, etc., Malwarebytes will pop up a notification that it has blocked a window, a redirect (which IE also warns me about), attempted malware, etc., so obviously I have surfed sites that might have malicious intention. But my AV software has done an excellent job of taking care of that. And of course I know better than to click on unknown links in emails or other messages (and I don't have either AV program monitor my emails because it just slows my email down way too much). I get so little spam email anyway that it's hardly a concern.

So I suspect that it's not always necessary for every user to keep Windows updated for what Microsoft considers necessary security updates - unless Windows 10 is so much more vulnerable to security breaches than my Windows 8.1 of course, or if people don't have software effective at monitoring surfing activity or unasked for incoming traffic. :-)
Have you heard of spectre and meltdown?

For example they can use simple javascript to steal your passwords by exploiting speculative execution. this very site could be hacked. if you're not terrified you don't understand.
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I think I've reached an age where it takes a lot to terrify me. :-)
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JoeB wrote:
flagpole wrote:You would be crazy to disable automatic updates.

It's a security issue.
I suppose it's a matter of how computer and surfing savvy a user is. I only have Windows 8.1 (on one computer for as many years as it was available and now installed on a new, custom built machine I got just over a year ago to replace the old one). I always keep automatic updates turned off - for Windows and all other programs. I surf and have surfed many sites over the years and have yet to get a malware infection. I have two active anti-virus software packages - AVG and Malwarebytes. I do not use Windows Defender at all - when I first had it years ago I found it just a PITA so have always kept it disabled.

On some sites I might not be familiar with but end up on from Google links when researching software, etc., Malwarebytes will pop up a notification that it has blocked a window, a redirect (which IE also warns me about), attempted malware, etc., so obviously I have surfed sites that might have malicious intention. But my AV software has done an excellent job of taking care of that. And of course I know better than to click on unknown links in emails or other messages (and I don't have either AV program monitor my emails because it just slows my email down way too much). I get so little spam email anyway that it's hardly a concern.

So I suspect that it's not always necessary for every user to keep Windows updated for what Microsoft considers necessary security updates - unless Windows 10 is so much more vulnerable to security breaches than my Windows 8.1 of course, or if people don't have software effective at monitoring surfing activity or unasked for incoming traffic. :-)
What really bothers me is this. :?
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In the 'good ol days' users took care with their own internet security. Relied on Norton etc etc. Avoided suspect sites. Now days users want everything done for them. So you can't blame Microsoft for holding their hands. But it would be nice to have the option to opt out.

Right off topic now - future terrorists wont be blowing up things. They will be causing chaos on the internet. Microsoft's approach is only just the beginning.

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Guess I'm still operating in the good old days - older version of Windows and 2 different anti-virus programs with databases kept up to date (not MS's Defender) that all together seem to have kept me safe for some years. As I've said in other posts, I'm one of those "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" type of guys. And now perhaps I should knock on wood just for extra safety! :-)

But yeah, way OT. But sometimes a bit of OT adds a bit a variety from always dealing with real issues.
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I also have turned off Defender. I have AVG free as anti virus, then MalwareBytes, and Spybot Search and Destroy.
I am using Windows 10 version 1607 build 14393.2007. I am not getting the large slowdowns complained about by others. Just after Cold Boot and PSP 2018 time 35 sec, then restarting 14 , 13, and 12 seconds.
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And how have you managed NOT to get Win 10 1703 AND 1709 updates??? Turning off the modem on that computer???
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OT again:
Maybe turning off computer is the best option ;-)

Components with old software are part of the problem (NCARS - in times of IOT... really?).
1. Make backups (with a few generations)
2. Stay updated (so a virus/malware/... can't use the exploit)
3. Nice2have: Use a malware-scanning-engine, i think best option is to use the engine from the manufacterer of your OS
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So... How about the topic of this thread -- PSP X9 slow start? I've read that for some people PSP2018 is showing the same symptoms (or I would just upgrade to avoid the issue altogether).
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Ken Berry wrote:And how have you managed NOT to get Win 10 1703 AND 1709 updates??? Turning off the modem on that computer???
As mentioned in another thread - I delayed 1703 by not completing the security nag info which came up twice a day . This was done by doing a Control Alt Del and taking the Sign Out option.
Eventually the nags got to me so I filled the info out - did not want Microsoft snooping etc. Then when It asked for time of day to start installation I delayed this by changing the time, Remind me later etc . This got me past 1703.

Eventually I allowed the update to occur and it went to 1709. Because I had Windows 10 Pro I also had the recovery option. I allowed 1709 to run for 3 days (10 day limit on roll back) then cloned it to a spare drive, and then rolled it back to 1607.
I cloned that rolled back version as well after checking that it was working OK.
For awhile I got nag screens that an update was available to go to 1709 and I kept taking any option that would cause that to disappear.
Those nags have stopped so far and so I am happily running 1607 without any nags.

I am guessing that the next lot of nags to update will be when 1803 becomes available.
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jimbeaux wrote:So... How about the topic of this thread -- PSP X9 slow start? I've read that for some people PSP2018 is showing the same symptoms (or I would just upgrade to avoid the issue altogether).
we have two solutions so far:
- deactivate windows defender cloud check option
- uninstall the security updates for the spectre&Co exploits (processor-updates)

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Thanks. But, the slow down issues I see with x9 started last December with the Windows 10 Fall Creators update -- before the Intel processor patch. I have tried the Defender cloud option with no change in startup speed. Along with everything else I've read here on the forums (cleaning out temp folders / rebuild PSP databases / uninstall - reinstall x9 / try 32bit instead of 64bit / etc. ALL still result in an approximate 5 minute start time verses 5 seconds before the Fall Creators update.
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I hope this will be addressed by the Corel people soon. And not with another new version we have to buy!
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