Have Overlays affect only Track 'below' them ?

[TroyTheTech]

Just wondering if there is a way to have an Overlay, say a Lower Third (bar comes in, like in the news), slide in on Track 4 and have something overlaid on top of it, say some Bubbles on Track 5 - BUT, have the Bubbles ONLY affect the Lower Third on Track 4...

The way it seems to work in VSx10 right now, it can look like this:

Video Track - Video
Track 1 - 'Design' Overlay
Track 2 - 'Logo' Overlay
Track 3 - 'Design 2' Overlay
Track 4 - Lower Third 'Bars' Overlay
Track 5 - 'Bubbles' Overlay

but the Bubbles will be seen on 'everything' - all Tracks and all Videos, everywhere.
However, I would like to apply the 'Bubbles' to only Track 4, the bars (and nothing else)...

The only way I can see getting this working at the moment, is doing a sub-project of:

Video Track - Chroma Key background panel of some sort (black, green, etc)
Track 1 - Lower Third 'Bars' Overlay
Track 2 - 'Bubbles' Overlay

so that the Bubbles will 'only affect the bars' here and then Render this out to it's own Video.
Then, Import that video back into the main project, applying the Chrome Key affect to the 'Bars with Bubbles'.
The final result would be Track 4 would then have the 'Bars with Bubbles ONLY on the Bars'... (I hope I am clear enough on this example heh)

I did some searching, but could not find any Grouping of Tracks or making Tracks 'children' of other Tracks (to set up Dependencies, etc) that would make an Overlay (or an effect "FX") affect "only the track below it in the video (above it on the Timeline)".
Is such a thing not possible at this time, in VS?

Thanks for any ideas

[Terfyn]

You should be able to vary the transparency of the overlay, for example Bubbles, to let the overlay in the track above to show through. Select Options and Transparency (first item on top line of Attributes)
Remember that the lowest overlay track will override all the tracks above. I suggest you simplify your layout and use less overlay tracks. Try not to do everything at once.

[lata]

Hi Troy

What type of clips are you using, that will affect how FX bubbles is applied.

I have used Jpeg images and added bubbles, although they do get a little distorted.

I have attached a small Instant Project, run the VSP file to view the project.

Having a little trouble attaching the file, will try later..........

Troy use a jpeg image, resize to create the bar, apply bubbles.

Try this link

https://1drv.ms/u/s!ApBs8FwBwJ5jilxgimG4ft_9nv1X

Expires in 30 days

[TroyTheTech]

Thanks for all the responses!

I should clarify what I meant - in fact, I may go back and change the original post names to make it clearer, I apologize about that - what I meant was not the "Bubbles FX", but a video overlay of Bubbles (that could somehow 'show up' on only the Lower Third bar Track and NOT affect the rest of the video areas). I'll try another example:

Above, there is a Background Video (the purple tiles) and a Lower Third of 'Bars' (steel and blue coloured).
On top of that, I'd like to place some "Golden Light", which are yellow spots on a black background.
I put the GoldenLight 'on top of' the Bars (below the bars Track in the Timeline) and apply a Chroma Key for the Black colour.

However, the yellow spots are seen 'everywhere' (on the purple tiled areas)...
I would like to confine the GoldenLight to be only affecting the Bars themselves (the Lower Third track) and stay within the steel-and-blue coloured bars themselves - and not the areas around it - and this is what I cannot seem to do yet in VSx10 (the yellow spots are outside of the bars and seen everywhere)....
I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough at first, thanks for all the great effort and ideas.

You had a good idea Lata, a very simple solution - but resizing the video in that manner as in your Project would warp the yellow 'bubbles' in a way I'd like to avoid, for now if possible. Thank you for your efforts, though.

In other video editors, as a comparison, I could 'Associate' Tracks together so that if I manipulated one Track, it would only affect those Tracks it was 'grouped with'.
(For example, I would associate Tracks 1 and 2, above. That way, the GoldenLight is only 'allowed' to affect the Lower Thirds 'bars')

If this feature is not present somewhere in VS, perhaps this type of blending of the Tracks/Sources is not possible...?
Did I find something else to go on The Wishlist?

[TroyTheTech]

I think I have an idea of how I can do it (sorry to make another post, but I want to keep this idea separate from the re-stating of the goal, above).

If I can take the Lower Thirds 'bars' and make them completely Black and White, I can use the Video Mask feature in VideoStudio, to attach a Video Mask to the 'goldenlights' video, thereby confining the dots/lights entirely to the Shape of the 'bars'... then the 'goldenlights' should not be seen anywhere on the 'purpletiles'... correct?

If I am correct, I still need to know HOW to make the video of the 'bars' completely White on a Black background, heh.
I can adjust the colours quite a bit in VS with the Filters and FX I see - but none of them are making the 'bars' completely WHITE, while keeping the background a flat black (for creating the Video Mask)...

I think there was a Tutorial that dealt with this somewhere in the many helpful Tutorials of the Discover areas. I just have to find it again.
Maybe this is a great application possibility for X10's new Mask Creator?
Hmmm...

[asik1]

yes Troy you must have a video mask, if the lower third bar animation isn't too complex you might do with just a bmp mask and a crop fx.

[MrJohnny]

Hi

Some great ideas/workarounds.

This may or may not help, a Boris Grafitti tutorial on Lower Thirds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNc7aXcTCag

It is a little dated, but the principles are explained.

I'm no expert, but I think you can import video (Bubbles?) into Grafitti to use in a Grafitti track/layer as an animation.

John

[lata]

Hi

Try making your own banner image 1920 x 225
When adding bubbles will be in proportion and effect image only.

The problem with the png image is that it is 720 x 480 the top section being transparent, yet still part of the image.

I have attached a Jpeg image 1920 x 224 pixels, I had to fill ends with a grey colour

Add to overlay, right click preview screen for fit to width, down/up arrow keys to position.
Apply Bubbles to timeline clip.

Ok I do not have the clips you are using so a little difficult to replicate your work.
If you create an Instant Project of your project ( File – Export as Template – Instant Project)
Zip the folder and upload to a sharing site Google Drive , DropBox, One Drive etc.

At least we will be working with the same files.

[TroyTheTech]

Thanks for the helpful responses - I ended up trying my idea to start out with for now (sorry Lata and Asik, the 'bars' are an animation, so too complex for a JPG - but that would have been easier, heh). This more of a test really, to see 'what VideoStudio can do', as far as this 'layering of effects' goes...

Here's what I did for now (to ‘add the golden glitter to the bars only') :

1
- Open the 'bars' in its' own project
- Change the colours to all White and Black (the only colour adjusting “FX” that changed ‘everything’ to completely white and black was NewBlue’s “Video Tune Up”)
- Render those B/W ‘bars’ as its’ own video ‘matte’

2
- Open the ‘bars’ in another project
- Add the ‘goldenlights’ bubbles/dots
- Add the B/W ‘bars matte’ as a Video Mask to the ‘goldenlights’ to constrain them to the shape of the ‘bars’
- Render the ‘goldenslights’, now matte-d to the shape of the ‘bars’ as its’ own video for overlaying (has black background colour)

3
- Reopen original project so that it now looks like
– Video Track = ‘purpletiles’ background
– Track 1 = logos overlay
– Track 2 = ‘bars’ with background colour as Chroma Key
– Track 3 = ‘goldenlights’ that are now the ‘bars with goldenlights’ constrained to it, with background colour as Chroma Key (now it only affects the bars and not the Video Background!)

I see now, that I will still have another step yet - I will have to use a Chroma Key for the 'bars with goldenlights' (black as the key), so I may have to Render out the 'goldenlights on the bars only' as their own video, before combining everything...

I will watch the Boris Tutorial soon, thanks MrJohnny, maybe some of these steps can be combined somehow.

Just testing out VS, seeing what it can do...
If I can do it soon, I will try to package it as an Instant Project, maybe after this next step...
Thanks again for all the input/ideas

[BrianCee]

Can you not just use the "Crop" FX - NOT 'crop borders' and put the resulting image over the bars - or where ever else you want them

overlays do not have to overlay the whole screen - they can be any where at any size - often you can just drag the onscreen image to the shape and size you want - but that may change the way the bubbles move in this case

Overlays are wonderful - some demos I have made

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geEUBldWKuM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA9lxO3lye8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFyyfVHhyIw


and if you add a mask as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8UunCLldUg



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[asik1]

Troy, look at this project. All images were cut into smaller segments and by using crop FX the full image is reveled like it was a drawn animation.

[TroyTheTech]

Thanks for the ideas guys.

I was trying to see if I could put some FX on top of the Overlays only (not the rest of the areas of the screen), mainly because some of these Lower Thirds have complex animations (flipping and changing sizes of the different bars/boxes/etc).

I like the idea of animating it, that's something I could even do myself. Maybe next time I use a Lower Third (for example), I'll just break it down into parts; make different bars of my own and then I can use the Advanced Motion settings to 'slide' them in, using Keyframes.

Still, I would not be able to apply an FX just to the Overlays only (and not the whole screen), it seems that is something VideoStudio just cannot do at this time. Ken (I think it was) showed me that there are Transitions you can apply to the "Overlay Only", but it seems you cannot do that with the FX just yet. For now, you have to Render each FX on it's own Overlay as separate Projects, then add the final Overlay finished into the main Project. Oh well, maybe something to put on the Wishlist.

Thanks again for the input, everyone

[lata]

Hi

Well yes we can apply a FX to an overlay clip that only affects that clip.

The PNG images are full screen, they have a banner at the bottom with the top section being transparent, but are full screen clips, so any effect is applied to the full screen.

From the Graphics Library – Frames, right click - properties the banners – FR-D05.png, you will see it is 720 x 480, in addition they have been set to Fit to Screen when inserting to the overlay track, here you can see the bounding box surrounding the frame.
FX will be applied to the full clip.

[MrJohnny]

Never uploaded a Package before.

Worth a look?

John

Boris_BubblesX10_04.zip

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[lata]

Hi Johnny

Not all clips or details are available from your files.
Accessing Boris – Customise shows a QuickTime video called Bubbles.Avi, saved to your X10_Projects folder.
That file is not part of your zipped file.
I did try to replace the video, but that just squashed the new video to fit the banner.
I would have to make a banner the same dimensions as your light blue bar.
Then there were no effects applied to the bar?

Your best option is to create a Smart Package, that will copy all clips used in your project, hopefully the bubbles.avi will be included.
The file may be to big for the forum so you would have to upload to a sharing site, Google Drive, One Drive , DropBox etc. Then provide a share link.