Corel VS can't handle 120 fps video?

[JPW]

Wow...I really hope that is the difference. I'll be trying it first thing when I get home from work. I only have the full version (X8) on the old Core 2 Duo I have. I'll install a full version of VS UX10 on my new i5 laptop and see if that is the difference. This i5 laptop seems to be unbelievably fast for everything except the trial version of x10 so I hope that is it. I'll circle back in a bit.

[JPW]

Well, no joy. The full version of UX10 still stuttered in the same way as the trial in clip mode. However, in project without Smart Proxy it did playback just fine so I'm not sure what the difference is there.

I really like this new laptop except for the fact it has integrated graphics and a dedicated video card. That would be fine if I could just select to use the dedicated video card for everything, but that isn't the way it seems to be configured. You have to pick and choose and VS is the only program that will not allow me to leverage the dedicated video card. It will only list the option for integrated graphics. I'm not sure that it should make a difference though since playback doesn't stutter in other apps, only in clip mode in VS. Really weird.

[Ken Berry]

I can't remember what happened in Windows 7 but I think it was the same... Right click on the X10 desktop icon. You should get a large dropdown menu, and towards the top there will be words to the effect (in Win 10): "Run with graphics processor" and when you click on the arrow you should be offered the choice of the NVidia card or the integrated card. The latter will also probably have the word (default) after it. But below that in Win 10 is the further choice: "Change default graphics processor".

As I said above, though, your clip played fine in both Clip and Project mode, and regardless of which GPU I used.

[JPW]

Thanks for that Ken. Unfortunately, it had the same result. Basically, this laptop will not allow me to run VS with the dedicated graphics card. Every single other program has an option to choose between the two, but only VS has integrated graphics greyed out and hard-coded in. Too odd. Even when I choose the Nvidia graphics card by right-clicking on the desktop icon for VS it gives the impression that it is running, but once I click on Nvidia's graphics card icon in the tray it shows the other programs that are leveraging the graphics card in real-time and VS is not there. I can do this with any other program and they show up there.

You are on a desktop and not a laptop...right Ken? I think I might be going about this the wrong way and simply look for a laptop that will play VS flawlessly and cost somewhere around $600. If I can find that then I'm sure it will meet my needs for everything else.

[Ken Berry]

Yes -- my i3 is an all-in-one desktop HP and I am quite pleased with it. I have a number of other computers, including an i7 laptop, but curiously enough, I found it rather slow in responding the most programs, including VS. So these days I just use it as as back-up.

All I can say now is good luck in your search!

[asik1]

As I'm running now a core2duo E7400 SSD system I can add my intake
LA player plays the clip fine but at half speed. the 28sec takes actually 56.
MP about ok on the video but terrible on the sound.
On VS19.2 not good in clip mode, fine in project mode with proxy, but again at half speed.
** Ken and Trevor have you timed the actual playback?

[Ken Berry]

In my case the playback is always 28 seconds, whether in Clip or Project mode...

[lata]

Hi

The original video is ntsc recorded at 4X the nominal rate of 30fps, so we are best displaying the clip on a NTSC timeline, at least 120 is devisable by 30fps.
I see the duration as 27sec 22 frames.

The video will have frames removed to fill the 30 fps timeline. Playback will be at normal speed.

We can however set the timeline to 60fps then only half the frames will be removed.

We cannot set the timeline to use 120fps, I am sure that would be an advantage if we could do that.

By applying Speed Time-lapse to the 30 fps project at 25% would effectively display all 120 fps
There will be no frames dropped, the video will playback in Slow Mo using every frame from the original recording.

I guess the question is do we wish to playback at 120fps a high quality playback or create a Slow Mo video?

[asik1]

I also set the project as ntsc/30 and the duration show as ~28sec , but the project playback took ~56 .

[JPW]

I guess the question is do we wish to playback at 120fps a high quality playback or create a Slow Mo video?

Sort of both. I prefer playback at full speed while editing to be good so that I can fine tune where I might want to introduce slow motion video. Once I have that I would apply the speed adjustments and fine tune more. Yes, the end result should be a single clip with slow motion.

What would resolve all this is if Smart Proxy worked holistically. I know I've said this before, but the fact that Smart Proxy *only* works while in PROJECT mode is very confusing to a user (me). This isn't explained at all in VS's user manual. I have a need to move from CLIP mode to PROJECT mode all the time and good luck trying other functions like MULTI-TRIM. VS simply isn't leveraging the Smart Proxy file for anything outside of PROJECT mode (at least that is my experience), which is a bummer.

A huge THANKS to all of you trying to help me out here and providing testing. I'm still at a complete loss why Ken's system plays back my sample file in VS CLIP mode just fine and my new pretty powerful laptop does not. It has me frustrated, but I like everything else so much with this laptop I might keep it. My only other gripe is how Windows 10 works with i core processors and dedicated graphics cards on laptops. In my case I can't even leverage the dedicated graphics card to be used with VS, it simply won't allow it. It will let you choose with every other application on the laptop except VS, which is confusing. I just wish there was an option to not use integrated graphics at all, but I don't think it exists.

If anyone out there ever comes across a laptop that actually does play back my sample 120fps in VS smoothly, please let me know.

[asik1]

Look JPW, VS do not support 120fps, this never been implemented. Corel decides that FF templates maker is much more important, so spent hundreds hours on it.

** I did my fair sher trying "modding" VS for HFR but I never got the full confidence that indeed I see the all correct frames.

[JPW]

Look JPW, VS do not support 120fps, this never been implemented. Corel decides that FF templates maker is much more important, so spent hundreds hours on it.

** I did my fair sher trying "modding" VS for HFR but I never got the full confidence that indeed I see the all correct frames.

I'm with you. You can't blame me for asking why is still seems to work on someone else's PC though.

[Ken Berry]

I just wish there was an option to not use integrated graphics at all, but I don't think it exists.

As I understand it, there have been experiments done which show that Intel integrated graphics from the 4000 series onwards can perform some video tasks as well as, and in some cases better than, a separate graphics card. I imagine your new i5 laptop would possibly have a 6000 or even a 7000 series integrated card...

[JPW]

I just wish there was an option to not use integrated graphics at all, but I don't think it exists.

As I understand it, there have been experiments done which show that Intel integrated graphics from the 4000 series onwards can perform some video tasks as well as, and in some cases better than, a separate graphics card. I imagine your new i5 laptop would possibly have a 6000 or even a 7000 series integrated card...

I think to a degree that is the case. In case you are curious, this is the laptop: https://www.amazon.com/Acer-E5-575G-57D ... aspire+e15

It appears to have a GeForce 940MX video card. For the money, it is really an incredible value. It crunches everything I have except for 120fps video in VS (don't kill me asik1 for mentioning it ). Boot time from hitting the power button to the desktop is 8 seconds. WiFi is one of the best I've seen, very fast with incredible range. The M2 SSD is very fast. The big problem with it is the screen. It just isn't very good, but I have a new IPS screen on order for about $65.00 delivered and to switch them out seems very simple. The overall footprint of the laptop is pretty bulky, but not too bad. Anyway, just an impressive laptop for the money to me.

In regards to your comment, I know you are right to a point. There is of course some point where the CPU's graphics can't handle what a dedicated graphics card can. A lot of people are using this laptop for gaming. I don't game, but I do video edit and those seem to have similar needs sometimes. A good example is, I use a program called PLEX for watching some of my media from a media server. When playing back 1080p content via PLEX the integrated graphics card will display the occasional artifact (like a black box somewhere on the screen). I switched this over to the dedicated GPU and they never show up. Pretty nice. It sure would be nice if I could do the same for VS! But again, for whatever reason VS does not allow you to select the graphics card. It will only leverage the integrated graphics (no idea why).

[MrJohnny]

Hi JPW

Like Ken Berry's set up, my system plays the KWQG9974 file smoothly in both Clip & Project modes with and without Smart Proxy enabled.
Although, without Smart Proxy enabled, if I scrub the Timline VS immediately switches (automatically?) to Project mode and the preview monitor screen is laggy.
If Smart proxy is enabled the scrubbing of the Timeline works smoothly as expected, again VS switches to Project mode.

John