Actually, if this was scripted it would really be easier than Xara. And instead of having the resultant shape promoted to a layer and then deleting the original layer the script could copy the selected portion and paste it as a new image, thus leaving the original without destroying it.Joelle wrote:Xara is a brilliant program, love it!
If only someone could combine PaintShop Pro with Xara I would be in clover
To make an ellipse (to use as a selection) in PSP, I would use the Ellipse Tool: Q on the keyboard.
Select the Ellipse, drag the shape, adjust with the Pick Tool, K.
Selections> from Vector Object
Go back to the original layer>right-click>Promote selection to layer.
Delete the unwanted layer.
Easier in Xara, but the end result is the same
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If it was scripted, would it be flexible? In the case of Xara, the user determines the shape, size, and location. Once that is done, it's just select the two objects and hit the shortcut.
I use PSP as my photo editor for making videos and just fixing photos. PSP is the bitmap/photo editor that I use directly from Xara and from the Magix nle's Movie Edit Pro and Video Pro X. In both cases, the image is opened in PSP from the other program, the image is edited, and returned to the video timeline (actually the original imgae file is edited - with a backup copy saved) or Xara interface.
I agree, it would be great to have one program that does what both Xara and PSP can do.
I use PSP as my photo editor for making videos and just fixing photos. PSP is the bitmap/photo editor that I use directly from Xara and from the Magix nle's Movie Edit Pro and Video Pro X. In both cases, the image is opened in PSP from the other program, the image is edited, and returned to the video timeline (actually the original imgae file is edited - with a backup copy saved) or Xara interface.
I agree, it would be great to have one program that does what both Xara and PSP can do.
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If it was scripted you would still adjust the ellipse to the shape and size you want, move it to the location you want, rotate the ellipse it you want, and then (depending on how the script was done) either have the result promoted to a layer or have it copied and pasted as a new image without destroying your original as I suggested. Scripts are very flexible.JCBrown wrote:If it was scripted, would it be flexible? In the case of Xara, the user determines the shape, size, and location. Once that is done, it's just select the two objects and hit the shortcut.
If you just want a script to do rectangular borders to crop from ( as in your first posted example and as opposed to ellipses) with rounded corners where you can adjust the curvature of the rounded corners (as well as adjust the size and position of the rectangle) I have already posted a script that does that.
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JCBrown, can you record a video of the steps and flexibility in Xara to really demonstrate what you want? I agree with JoeB I imagine this could be easily accomplished with a script. Just need to know how the approaches are different between Xara and PSP. And reading descriptions of the process doesn't really help me, unsure about JoeB. 
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Believe me, I'm in no better position than you are on that!LeviFiction wrote:JCBrown, can you record a video of the steps and flexibility in Xara to really demonstrate what you want? I agree with JoeB I imagine this could be easily accomplished with a script. Just need to know how the approaches are different between Xara and PSP. And reading descriptions of the process doesn't really help me, unsure about JoeB.
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Ok bear with me: I simply had too add the location where I had installed Nik to the list of folders where PSP looks for plug-ins (Preferences/File locations..)Kathy_9 wrote:Try C:\Program Files\Google\Nik Collection for your file location.
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Yes, you've got it.benoitvm wrote:Ok bear with me: I simply had too add the location where I had installed Nik to the list of folders where PSP looks for plug-ins (Preferences/File locations..)Kathy_9 wrote:Try C:\Program Files\Google\Nik Collection for your file location.
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Hi,LeviFiction wrote:JCBrown, can you record a video of the steps and flexibility in Xara to really demonstrate what you want? I agree with JoeB I imagine this could be easily accomplished with a script. Just need to know how the approaches are different between Xara and PSP. And reading descriptions of the process doesn't really help me, unsure about JoeB.
Here is a link to the video that I turned into a tutorial showing how to crop a photo to a rectangle with rounded corners and to an ellipse. I'm out camping so I had to compete with campers, motor boats and fishing. The mic is one that comes with cheap ear buds for a cell phone, so the sound isn't great. Creating a photo with rounded corners is much quicker than showing how to do it.
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I have just watched your video and I believe the script I mentioned in an earlier reply does the rounded rectangle with adjustable sizing and adjustable corner roundness in PSP at least as easily, but you might want to try it yourself and let me know if you have any issues. You run the script once and immediately have a semi-transparent lith overly, with handles/nodes, and you use the handles to make all the adjustments. Run the script once more and you get a copy of the selected area you created as a new image in your PSP workspace, with your original still intact. I did it specifically that way so as to leave the original and still provide the copy which can, if you desire, be saved in any format you wish (PNG with transparency was your choice in your video). That still leaves the original for you to create another selection if desired, ad infinitum.JCBrown wrote:Hi,
Here is a link to the video that I turned into a tutorial showing how to crop a photo to a rectangle with rounded corners and to an ellipse. I'm out camping so I had to compete with campers, motor boats and fishing. The mic is one that comes with cheap ear buds for a cell phone, so the sound isn't great. Creating a photo with rounded corners is much quicker than showing how to do it.
https://youtu.be/LLWhezGJVMQ
The script is available here:
http://forum.corel.com/EN/viewtopic.php?f=104&t=62040
The script can be bound to an icon and placed on a toolbar if you wish so that you just have to click the icon, make the rectangle's adjustments, and click the icon again to get the new image with rounded corners. I'd appreciate any suggestions you might have.
And yes, the same thing could be done with an ellipse.
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This is also easily achieved in X7 and later with the Shape Cutter option if you don't mind the shape being opened in a new image.
JCBrown, your signature says you have X9. So with that, you would
1) Open Image
2) Draw out your shape with the appropriate shape tool.
3) Click on the "Shape cutter" button on the tool options palette
And that's it.
I had criticized Corel for making such an option because scripts like JoeB's are so easy and the steps for "Selection from vector Object" -> "Copy" -> "Paste as New Image" didn't seem to facilitate the development time or billing it as one of their big new 'features." But since it's there, might as well make use of it.
JCBrown, your signature says you have X9. So with that, you would
1) Open Image
2) Draw out your shape with the appropriate shape tool.
3) Click on the "Shape cutter" button on the tool options palette
And that's it.
I had criticized Corel for making such an option because scripts like JoeB's are so easy and the steps for "Selection from vector Object" -> "Copy" -> "Paste as New Image" didn't seem to facilitate the development time or billing it as one of their big new 'features." But since it's there, might as well make use of it.
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It might just be me, LeviFiction, but the problem I see with the 3 steps ending with using the Shape cutter is the lack of flexibility that the video shows is available with Xara, and of course with scripts. That 3 step method doesn't allow for making size adjustments or positioning of the shape. So a script would still be needed to add those functions if desired as well as to have a pre-set semi-transparent fill to the shape to aid in positioning (assuming you want to automate the process as much as possible).LeviFiction wrote:This is also easily achieved in X7 and later with the Shape Cutter option if you don't mind the shape being opened in a new image.
JCBrown, your signature says you have X9. So with that, you would
1) Open Image
2) Draw out your shape with the appropriate shape tool.
3) Click on the "Shape cutter" button on the tool options palette
And that's it.
I had criticized Corel for making such an option because scripts like JoeB's are so easy and the steps for "Selection from vector Object" -> "Copy" -> "Paste as New Image" didn't seem to facilitate the development time or billing it as one of their big new 'features." But since it's there, might as well make use of it.
However, I am glad you pointed out the shape cutter tool, because I can see how using that tool after the step in the script that allows shaping and positioning a semi-transparent lith would eliminate several steps in the present script. However, if the shape cutter tool was not implemented until X7 then that would limit the use of the script to X7 and later users. So as the extra steps in the script are hidden (silent) anyway there may be no advantage to using the Shape cutter for the purpose the present script is intended.
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I'm not sure I understand what you mean. True my three steps don't have "adjust shape until you have what you want" instead just implying it in step two. But it's still all the same. With the exception that in Xara the image is still a shape and can be edited as such. But that's a Xara vs PSP thing. Shape Cutter only works on vectors because it's only available with vector tools active. So you have all of the flexibility of vectors for creating the shapes. The only thing this doesn't do is add a vector the full size of the image and preset the transparency of the layer. But if you're just going to be making a smaller shape anyway, not a big difference.
(I didn't realize I was recording audio, so all you hear in this video is my air-conditioner. Just mute the darn thing)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8FlFL ... dqbzA/view
And yes, anything earlier than X7 would require a script to replace the shape cutter. Essentially just the second half of your script would do the job quite nicely. No need to for using the pause script option, just that last half as its own script to be used with any vector that's been laid down.
(I didn't realize I was recording audio, so all you hear in this video is my air-conditioner. Just mute the darn thing)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8FlFL ... dqbzA/view
And yes, anything earlier than X7 would require a script to replace the shape cutter. Essentially just the second half of your script would do the job quite nicely. No need to for using the pause script option, just that last half as its own script to be used with any vector that's been laid down.
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I was actually dealing with a couple of things brought up by JC's original post where he described the various steps that Xara could do (and his recent video of those steps). So yes, if one wants to follow the same steps then, adding the extra steps/clicks shown in your video (changing the mode after drawing the shape, then decreasing the layer visibility, etc.) will achieve the same thing with (I think) the same number of steps as with Xara. While your "adjust shape" was implied, that also meant that changing the mode was also implied because, without that, you don't have the handles/nodes to do the adjust shape, unless I'm missing something.LeviFiction wrote:I'm not sure I understand what you mean. True my three steps don't have "adjust shape until you have what you want" instead just implying it in step two. But it's still all the same. With the exception that in Xara the image is still a shape and can be edited as such. But that's a Xara vs PSP thing. Shape Cutter only works on vectors because it's only available with vector tools active. So you have all of the flexibility of vectors for creating the shapes. The only thing this doesn't do is add a vector the full size of the image and preset the transparency of the layer. But if you're just going to be making a smaller shape anyway, not a big difference.
And yes, anything earlier than X7 would require a script to replace the shape cutter. Essentially just the second half of your script would do the job quite nicely. No need to for using the pause script option, just that last half as its own script to be used with any vector that's been laid down.
But then Joelle replied with some steps in PSP that would, as I recall she said, be as easy as with Xara. And I replied that, if scripted, it would be easier. By that I meant one only had to do 2 clicks, the first that would already provide a semi-transparent lith with adjustable handles so as to allow the user to make the adjustments that JC makes in Xara, and a second click to get the completed image with rounded corners (or, if desired, an ellipse).
The script, then, eliminates the person having to first draw the shape, then decrease the layer opacity, and then select the mode to get the handles/nodes to make changes to the shape and its position. The script also eliminates the other steps in your video of having to go back to the original image and delete 2 vector layers if you want to put the original back to its pristine (i.e., unaltered) state because this is already accomplished with the script.
So I was just saying that a script would make things easier than Xara because it's only 2 clicks to get from start to final new image and unaltered original image, and my original intent in my reply to Joelle's post was to say that it's less steps using a script.
And just now that I think of it, the rounded rectangle script can actually make an ellipse too. Once you have the height and width adjusted to your liking, you just have to drag the corner nodes down to the center node vertically and horizontally and you have an ellipse. Click the scripts again and you have your new ellipse shaped image plus your original restored to make another crop should you desire. Similarly, if you want to go back to the original and make a square rectangle you again just resize and position to taste then move the left rounded corner nodes towards and onto the upper left corner node and you have a square cornered rectangle.
But either way, whatever tools you use in PSP to get the job done, my point was that scripting it saves clicks.
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Edit mode is not necessary, but it does prevent accidentally drawing another ellipse or rectangle if my mouse isn't directly on the node. In the video I just didn't have "Show nodes" turned on so I had to switch over to edit mode.
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Based on what was said, I took a look at doing it in PSPX9 and came up with the same thing before watching the video. As you both point out, a shaped cutout can easily be done in PSPX9 using the Shape Cutter tool. I wasn't aware of this.
I took a look back at the original post and realize that I misunderstood. The OP wanted an elliptical vignette, as stated in the subject, not a cutout. When I saw the part about trying to draw a freehand ellipse, I assumed that an ellipse or rectangle with rounded corners could not be done and I found that very strange, hence my Xara solution.
So ignoring my tutorial, how does one make an elliptical or rounded-cornered rectangle vignette in PSP?
I tried the Shape Cutter and using an ellipse, gave it a feather edge on its own layer, and then I blurred the original underlying image using a tool that looked like a vignette as it kept the centre in focus (I forgot to note which tool), selected the ellipse shape and feathered the edge. I'm not familiar with these tools, so I had trouble selecting the ellipse. Below is the result in the first image, which I think is closer to what the OP wanted but still not very good. How can this be done better in PSP?
Of course, the best solution would be for PSP to allow different shapes in the Vignette tool, but that is not available but should be.
The second image was done using the New Blue spotlight plugin in a video editor.
As for scripting, would that not be more appropriate to a repetitive exercise rather than one only?
I took a look back at the original post and realize that I misunderstood. The OP wanted an elliptical vignette, as stated in the subject, not a cutout. When I saw the part about trying to draw a freehand ellipse, I assumed that an ellipse or rectangle with rounded corners could not be done and I found that very strange, hence my Xara solution.
So ignoring my tutorial, how does one make an elliptical or rounded-cornered rectangle vignette in PSP?
I tried the Shape Cutter and using an ellipse, gave it a feather edge on its own layer, and then I blurred the original underlying image using a tool that looked like a vignette as it kept the centre in focus (I forgot to note which tool), selected the ellipse shape and feathered the edge. I'm not familiar with these tools, so I had trouble selecting the ellipse. Below is the result in the first image, which I think is closer to what the OP wanted but still not very good. How can this be done better in PSP?
Of course, the best solution would be for PSP to allow different shapes in the Vignette tool, but that is not available but should be.
The second image was done using the New Blue spotlight plugin in a video editor.
As for scripting, would that not be more appropriate to a repetitive exercise rather than one only?
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