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Max speed in X10

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I wish they'd specify if they fixed the time remapping so that you are not limited to 10x speed.
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Not sure they will do it. It will be one of those "buy and try" or ask someone who gets it. 10x speed is pretty darn quick.
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TonyP wrote:Not sure they will do it. It will be one of those "buy and try" or ask someone who gets it. 10x speed is pretty darn quick.
Quick for what? That completely depends on context. What a ridiculous thing to say.

I make timelapses that go up to 50-100x easily, compressing hours into minutes or even seconds. Doing them at 10x would be unacceptably boring and slow. Nobody is going to sit through a 24 minute timelapse to show four hours of something when the same "message" can be conveyed (and much more beautifully) in 30 seconds.
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Lift wrote:
TonyP wrote:Not sure they will do it. It will be one of those "buy and try" or ask someone who gets it. 10x speed is pretty darn quick.
Quick for what? That completely depends on context. What a ridiculous thing to say.

I make timelapses that go up to 50-100x easily, compressing hours into minutes or even seconds. Doing them at 10x would be unacceptably boring and slow. Nobody is going to sit through a 24 minute timelapse to show four hours of something when the same "message" can be conveyed (and much more beautifully) in 30 seconds.
Lift, if you need to convey your 300min message to 30 seconds you can set your timelaps shots accordingly

** And I didn't got any note regarding X10, no email, no pop.
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Lift wrote:
TonyP wrote:Not sure they will do it. It will be one of those "buy and try" or ask someone who gets it. 10x speed is pretty darn quick.
Quick for what? That completely depends on context. What a ridiculous thing to say.

I make timelapses that go up to 50-100x easily, compressing hours into minutes or even seconds. Doing them at 10x would be unacceptably boring and slow. Nobody is going to sit through a 24 minute timelapse to show four hours of something when the same "message" can be conveyed (and much more beautifully) in 30 seconds.
Geez.... so freakin defensive are you. I never mentioned anything that warranted your remark of being "ridiculous". 10X is quick. I too do timelapse and set everything up for the time I want to show. There is nothing for them to fix, since it works up to 10X (1000%). Shop around and see what other editors can do....
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asik1 wrote:
Lift wrote:
TonyP wrote:Not sure they will do it. It will be one of those "buy and try" or ask someone who gets it. 10x speed is pretty darn quick.
Quick for what? That completely depends on context. What a ridiculous thing to say.

I make timelapses that go up to 50-100x easily, compressing hours into minutes or even seconds. Doing them at 10x would be unacceptably boring and slow. Nobody is going to sit through a 24 minute timelapse to show four hours of something when the same "message" can be conveyed (and much more beautifully) in 30 seconds.
Lift, if you need to convey your 300min message to 30 seconds you can set your timelaps shots accordingly

** And I didn't got any note regarding X10, no email, no pop.
No, I can't. I'm not doing timelapses with a camera. It's recorded game footage. The only recording options are 30 frames per second or 60 frames per second.
TonyP wrote:Geez.... so freakin defensive are you. I never mentioned anything that warranted your remark of being "ridiculous". 10X is quick. I too do timelapse and set everything up for the time I want to show. There is nothing for them to fix, since it works up to 10X (1000%). Shop around and see what other editors can do...
Pointing out that your comment is ridiculous is not being defensive. Defensive is getting butthurt when someone points out that your comment is ridiculous.
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Your posts are confusing. First you state "I make timelapses that go up to 50-100x easily, compressing hours into minutes or even seconds. " and now you post " I'm not doing timelapses with a camera." So what is it you are actually trying to do and doing?
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If he actually knew what he was doing, he wouldn't be saying it's "timelapse". Talk about ridiculous statements....
To help the ignorant....

time-lapse
adjective: timelapse

denoting the photographic technique of taking a sequence of frames at set intervals to record changes that take place slowly over time. When the frames are shown at normal speed the action seems much faster.

I hope he can sit down....
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Wow, you guys cannot understand the concept of speeding up video because you found a definition that contains the word "photography" and you can't see how absurd you are being?
TonyP wrote:If he actually knew what he was doing, he wouldn't be saying it's "timelapse". Talk about ridiculous statements....
To help the ignorant....

time-lapse
adjective: timelapse

denoting the photographic technique of taking a sequence of frames at set intervals to record changes that take place slowly over time. When the frames are shown at normal speed the action seems much faster.

I hope he can sit down....
For some crazy reason Corel does not distinguish between "speed" and "timelapse" in the menu and doesn't try to prevent users from doing this with video and force them to promise they only used a camera to take stills. I can't imagine why they wouldn't make this distinction or try to ensure users were complying with some hyper-ridgid definition whose only use would be trying to argue on the internet.

FYI the function as it is used in VS does not fit your definition either. What is even your purpose arguing this? Do you really think the software will be improved by making it less useful for other people or narrowing the potential customer base?
canuck wrote:Your posts are confusing. First you state "I make timelapses that go up to 50-100x easily, compressing hours into minutes or even seconds. " and now you post " I'm not doing timelapses with a camera." So what is it you are actually trying to do and doing?
Is it not obvious from previous posts? I'm taking game footage for long periods of gameplay and compressing it to shorter, sped up video. Which is what the "speed/timelapse" function in the program does. Restricting it to only 10x makes about as much sense as getting butthurt and going on a semantic tirade over the meaning of "timelapse."
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lift, I understand that your technic pure artistic as I don't see any practical use for the players to have from that.
A YT link might be useful here.
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I would have to agree with asik1, what possible use would there be in compressing a 4 hour video to 30 seconds, you would see nothing that you could make any sense of, your eyes/mind could not process the information that fast

Here is a link to a video, created with VS speeded up 30 times, which with your example would take 8 mins, any faster would be unwatchable


https://www.dropbox.com/s/5whz83axx3sv4 ... d.m2t?dl=0
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asik1 wrote:lift, I understand that your technic pure artistic as I don't see any practical use for the players to have from that.
A YT link might be useful here.
Yes, artistic. Videos are made to entertain people. :) Gaming videos are no exception. I'm not sure how any gaming video could be said to have practical use. ;)

It can be fun to see something that took hours to complete without having to spend hours to watch it. That's the use.

RobertOZ wrote:I would have to agree with asik1, what possible use would there be in compressing a 4 hour video to 30 seconds, you would see nothing that you could make any sense of, your eyes/mind could not process the information that fast

Here is a link to a video, created with VS speeded up 30 times, which with your example would take 8 mins, any faster would be unwatchable


https://www.dropbox.com/s/5whz83axx3sv4 ... d.m2t?dl=0
For that specific video? I agree, it would be unwatchable at any higher speed.

But how much something can be sped up and still be meaningful or interesting depends on what you're trying to capture and how quickly it happens in the first place. A 3 second video of the moon and stars going across the sky is very cool and that would be 14400 times normal speed.

This example is somewhere between 170 and 200 times speed for most of it. One day/night cycle in Minecraft takes 1200 seconds and in this video it is between 6 and 7 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxPsrOmm4mQ
(One segment around 1:20 is more like 300 times speed.)

Many of my own timelapses I do are building, terraforming, or deconstructing things with video taken by a stationary observer. They typically work best in the ballpark of 50x speed, but I've gone way faster with some. Depends on how slow the process is to begin with. It would be nice to be able to choose this with the existing controls instead of having to re-render the same video multiple times.
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Lift, I thought you shoot live action not "cgi" .
For "CGI" you can do auto lapsed screen capture every 22/61/116 or 234 sec. and do with it.
It's ridicules to records hours just to use 2% of the frames.
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asik1 wrote:Lift, I thought you shoot live action not "cgi" .
For "CGI" you can do auto lapsed screen capture every 22/61/116 or 234 sec. and do with it.
It's ridicules to records hours just to use 2% of the frames.
I don't know where you got the idea that I do live action. :?:

Only capturing 2% of frames would not allow me to choose afterward what speed I wanted to use, and would also miss anything spontaneous that happened that I might want to have captured such as being attacked in the middle of a build, structure failing and crashing to the ground, or some other drama. At those points I chop the video and play that segment at regular speed, then resume the timelapse. It makes for very fun videos.

Here's one that is run at 60x, and then stops for an interesting part. (I normally don't use pic-in-pic.)
https://youtu.be/GUMXC5_usYI?t=11m31s

I also adjust the speed of the video afterward to match the context, including how it looks and length of a music clip that might go with it. Creating a 6-30 gigabyte file is not a big deal with modern equipment so I don't see any point in going out of my way to avoid creating large files, especially when I don't know before hand how much of it will be used or tossed. ;)
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I agree that there is no reason for VS to limit how much to speed-up a clip. Why don't you submit it to Corel in their Facebook page, or even call Customer Service and tell them. I don't think Corel reads this forum posts.
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