Select compression when using Save

[JackPerkele]

Hello.

I have PSP X7. Have been PSP user from first PSP.. I think since win 95?..

I took some 900 pics from dog show. Very difficult conditions, inside hall, black running dogs and no flash.

I started to edit my photos. Did settings for 1 and then copied those to all selected pics. After 2 hours computer work (some 600 pics to edit and save automativally) I realized that jpg size is some 40% of original jpg size!!! WTF!! From 10-12 mb saved to 4-5mb. If I use uncompressed "save as" then it is over 20mb, and it is ok! I wanted those edited photos to be uncompressed, as I will crop pics one by one and need all data possible. Now it is ***, crappy quality. THERE IS NO PLACE TO SET VALUES TO COMPRESSION WHEN YOU USE "SAVE" OPTION. And when you run automated settings for many pictures, PSP uses SAVE not SAVE AS option. THIS SUCKS!

Do I have to start use photoshop as everyone else?

[Joelle]

Click on Save, then on Options, there you will be able to set the compression.


Joëlle

[Ron P.]

Welcome to the forums,

Are your running a batch process when you apply the adjustments from the one image to the rest? I think there is a setting that allows you to set the amount of compression. Also are you shooting RAW and then converting those to JPEG, or just shooting JPEG?
1. If not shooting RAW, I highly recommend you do. I am guessing that you are due to the file size you state you are staring with, 10-12 MB files tend to be RAW and not JPEGs. I do shoot RAW all the time, and my files are around 20MB.
2. I don't use PSP much for my photography work, and like you have used PSP since Jasc PSP 9 anyway. I would first save my edits/adjustments to an intermediate file type such as TIF, PSD, or PSPimage for that matter, before applying any batch operation to a permanent type such as JPEG. Heck save or convert them to Adobe's DNG, which is a RAW file. This way at least you have original settings to fall back on when things don't work out.
3. For the workflow I've become accustom to, I don't find any way PSP can do what I do and what it seems like you're wanting to do. I use Lightroom. Most professional photographers will use it for it's powerful DAM (Data Asset Management) as well as it's non-destructive editing ability.

I realize this is a Corel forum for PSP, however I think that PSP falls way short of what you're wanting to accomplish. In LR, I can select one image, process it, (Brightness, contrast, WB, Lights/Shadows, ect) then with that image selected, select the rest of the images, press the Sync button, and LR then applies the adjustments to the rest. I can also choose which of the adjustments I want to apply to the rest, or I can choose to use Auto-Sync, in which case it automatically applies the adjustments as I process the one image. This is all non-destructive. I only convert to JPEG when I want, and then before select the compression, the resolution size, formats ect. LR then does this in the background and I can work on other files while this is happening.

If you're getting paid then my recommendation would be look into their Photographer's Bundle, which is a CC (subscription) based. Several years ago I swore I'd never go to Adobe, but I have been using it for a few years now. Corel needs to step up their game.

[Joelle]

I realize this is a Corel forum for PSP, however I think that PSP falls way short of what you're wanting to accomplish. In LR, I can select one image, process it, (Brightness, contrast, WB, Lights/Shadows, ect) then with that image selected, select the rest of the images, press the Sync button, and LR then applies the adjustments to the rest. I can also choose which of the adjustments I want to apply to the rest, or I can choose to use Auto-Sync, in which case it automatically applies the adjustments as I process the one image. This is all non-destructive. I only convert to JPEG when I want, and then before select the compression, the resolution size, formats ect. LR then does this in the background and I can work on other files while this is happening.

If you're getting paid then my recommendation would be look into their Photographer's Bundle, which is a CC (subscription) based. Several years ago I swore I'd never go to Adobe, but I have been using it for a few years now. Corel needs to step up their game.

I totally disagree with "Corel needs to step up their game" comment.
PaintShop Pro is an excellent editor, especially for the price.
I know many people who use it for their work and prefer it over Adobe ( who charge huge amounts for the privilege).I know I do.

Joëlle

[Ron P.]

I totally disagree with "Corel needs to step up their game" comment.
PaintShop Pro is an excellent editor, especially for the price.
I know many people who use it for their work and prefer it over Adobe ( who charge huge amounts for the privilege).I know I do.

Joëlle

That's fine, I'm not asking you or anyone to agree with me, just pointing out a possible option for the OP. I've tried countless times to process a lot of files in PSP, using PSPX8, as I'm not purchasing X9. It lags terribly while trying to make simple adjustments. On my system it seems it still wants to do the "proofing" with even the slightest change. Not acceptable when needing to process hundreds of images. Also the DAM is not even in the ballpark, and yes that's why they demand more $$ for their product. It's not the absolute best, but darn close. There's a lot of people wanting to get away from Adobe LR because of the subscription, but so far haven't found a product that can replace it, and I'm talking about about some other fairly expensive ones too.

To be fair, I know lots of photographers that use both LR and PSP, there is not one single program that will fit all needs of professional photographers. PSP is not a end-all be-all by no means. For hobby photographers, yes it can provide all that they might need. But the OP pointing out that he shot a dog-show, and how many images he was needing to process speaks loudly of a professional that may be demanding a lot of money for his/her work. The time that it takes to post-process is money, also the quality that can be produced.

Simply put, don't be blinded, when Corel stubs their toes, they need to know about it or they will continue doing the same old thing which is a disservice to us, the consumers. If we want PSP to be the top then they need to know where and how they're missing the ball.

[hartpaul]

I agree with Joelle,
I have a subscription to Photoshop (mainly because another photographer at our camera club uses Photoshop to demonstrate tutorials).
When I stop paying the subscription I will no longer have a copy of photoshop to work with. I have at 10 versions of PSP going back to PSP8 and I will still have working versions of those with no further payments required as long as I need them.
BTW that photographer said they started on the Photoshop path because they were given an early version of Photoshop for free to try out. If they had been given a copy of PSP then they would have come down that path.

Some clubs / photographers will only use Photoshop (almost snobbishly) because it is the best in numbers of features. Yet for many photographers preparing images for internet, emails, printing greeting cards, preparing DIY photobooks , calendars etc Photoshop is overkill. There are plenty of cheaper versions of image editing software an also much smarter photo dedicated ones - Portrait Professional, Landscape professional, even free ones like Gimp.

And Yes this is a Corel Forum featuring Corel products helps.

And regarding the OP, if they were a professional photographer at the dog show then they should have been better prepared as much time can be saved from post processing by getting the image right or closest to right in the original taking. Relying on post processing makes for lazy photographers and I have fallen victim to that laziness more than once.

[Michael REMY]

Welcome to the forums,

Are your running a batch process when you apply the adjustments from the one image to the rest? I think there is a setting that allows you to set the amount of compression. Also are you shooting RAW and then converting those to JPEG, or just shooting JPEG? ...

i think he uses a very handful feature of X7 which was deleted in X8 and further...
There was the feature in file menu "Save all" where you can save all the open edited image and save all in a one-time-command !
that was a really great feature of PSP....

but i don't know why, Corel decided to delete this excellent feature...

RIP to "Save All"..

[Ron P.]

I was not referring specifically to Photoshop. I was talking about Lightroom, big difference, Photoshop is a pixel editor, whereas Lightroom came from Camera Raw. Yes I'm aware of all the less expensive editing software. Your examples of Portrait Pro and Landscape Pro are not less expensive than LR. So far you don't need to go the subscription route with just Lightroom. The least expensive if shooting Canon is Digital Photo Professional, with Nikon I believe is ViewNX 2, both come with their respective cameras.
Corel also has a subscription model, $16.50 mo compared to what I was referring to Adobe's Photography Bundle at $9.99 mo and can be had for less than that with specials ran through Amazon. You using just the Photoshop subscription? Yep way too expensive for me. Lightroom full is $149, Upgrade is $79. Let's see PSP full is $99 (when first released), $79 currently, Upgrade is $69 currently, IIRC the Upgrade when first released is $79. So if you want to discuss pricing, which actually costs less? Adobe is cutting $70 off for upgrading where Corel will discount $20-30?

If PSP would function the same or even close to LR I'd never have gone the LR route. Again I'm not talking about Photoshop, that's an entirely different program. Comparison should be Photoshop to CorelDraw Graphics Suite, not Paintshop Pro. I've used CDGS for several years too, before Corel thought of going to their subscription. I found it to be too expensive.

Gimp, yes a good program, tried it, didn't like it. I've also tried Capture One Pro, Photo Mechanic (which is great for culling), and On1 and of course ASP. How about IrfanView, or FastStone?

Lastly I know years ago, we used to censor people here for uttering other products. I hope that we don't continue that. It is helpful for comparison's and like I said, there's not a single program that can do everything without fault. Not a one. Sometimes it takes multiple programs in a person's workflow to get their end result. I'm not totally disparaging PSP, but it needs some desperate attention with functionality. I've also just d/l X9 just to see if there's any improvement yet..

[JackPerkele]

I decided to shoot JPG for more fps and previous workflow with RAW had been too much time taking process.

Joelle, I don't have that option when i click SAVE. it comes only when using Save As. Where can I go to SAVE options?


My workflow for multiple pics are this.
1. I edit 1 picture - brightness, curves, white balance etc. then save it. Using Save as - Lossless Encoding. File size increases from 12 to 20mb.
2.Small "edited picture" icon arrives to that pic in Manage window, right click and "Select Editing".
3.Then I select all pictures I want to have same edition, right click one of the pics and "Apply Editing".
4.Then PSP runs automatically all chosen files and saves them with new JPG compression, that I find too much compressed. - This is why I would like to go SAVE OPTIONS and set the compression factor to 1 or lossless.

This haves to be done at same PSP session. You cannot close PSP and then come back and select edited file. This was in PSP pdf manual. Page 129 http://dwnld.paintshoppro.com/help/en/p ... hopPro.pdf

I have PSP X7 17.3.0.30 x64 and if I recall I bought some sort of ultimate version.

[Forriner]

... There was the feature in file menu "Save all" where you can save all the open edited image and save all in a one-time-command !
that was a really great feature of PSP....
but i don't know why, Corel decided to delete this excellent feature...
RIP to "Save All"..

Just for what it's worth: You get the "Save All" dialogue if you close PSP ( menu File/Exit, or the X on the top right) while there are unsaved edited images open. It shows a list of edited images, all already selected. You can "save selected", "close all", or cancel.

[JoeB]

... There was the feature in file menu "Save all" where you can save all the open edited image and save all in a one-time-command !
that was a really great feature of PSP....
but i don't know why, Corel decided to delete this excellent feature...
RIP to "Save All"..

Just for what it's worth: You get the "Save All" dialogue if you close PSP ( menu File/Exit, or the X on the top right) while there are unsaved edited images open. It shows a list of edited images, all already selected. You can "save selected", "close all", or cancel.

@Forriner is exactly correct. There was no such feature in X7's File menu to Save All. You only get that by closing PSP while there are unsaved edited images.

[Michael REMY]

i'm sure there was a "save all" feature in the file menu.
i don't really remember the version because i update x3 x7 and now x8.

when you work on groups/project of images, you need this feature to close&save a group of picture WITHOUT close Psp and open another group of pictures.

[hartpaul]

Go to Window > Close All.
if the images have not been worked on then they will be closed.
If some images have been processed then it will give you the choice of saving all selected images which are preselected or to Close all without saving.
In X9 you get the Save as dialog for the first image so that you can change the compression, then it saves all the images with that compression so in effect doing a Save All

[MarkZ]

The issue of compression in Save has been discussed numerous times in this forum and requests for a change to the way it is implemented have been made for a number of years during beta testing. I believe this will be corrected "soon".

In recent versions of PSP including X7 compression can be changed only in Save As. Save has a fixed compression level, somewhere between 15 and 20. The only way to achieve a different compression is with Save As. It is possible to copy the editing parameters from one edited image to others using the capture and apply edit functions, but as JackPerkele points out, that operation uses Save. User beware. Rather than switch to Photoshop the cheaper option is to wait until the new implementation of PSP arrives with the compression issue corrected.

In the meantime, check the quality of the images that were saved to 4-5 MB. You may find that the quality is quite acceptable.

[anthea]

...and that's why I'm still at PSP X2. That version is still mostly stable, even under Win10, doesn't have the multiple view of the "modern" versions, but a file browser where you can directly start editing the picture, and uses the last JPEG setting used in "save as" for further "save" commands. Somehow the program gets bigger and bigger, and all the features I tend to like get lost on the way. Like the file browser in PSP5, where you could manually sort the pictures in a folder by moving them around, and then start a renaming-run on them in the order they are currently in. Was a great way to order pictures from several sources.
The JPEG-Compression issue is still a killer argument for me, as some cameras I use don't offer RAW. "Save as" can be used, but that skips the automatic backup. I once tried PSPX5, where that "feature" was introduced, as far as I remember, and in the end got an offer from support to give me the money back, as they don't intend to change that behavior. I went so far as to build a script that would replace the normal "save", and use the compression values I want for JPEG. Sadly it didn't work in all cases, so in the end I erased all traces of the program.

As on the last start of X2 I got an offer for a cheap upgrade, I tried to use the new X9 version, as it offers many new features. But I have to see that Corel still ignores user requests. So it seems I have to stay at X2, or look for other programs. There are many alternatives nowadays out there, and I'm speaking of programs that you can still buy completely. So I'll do now the same thing to X9 that I did to X5...