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compositing with 2 video files

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I have Video Studio 9.5 ultimate. I would like to create a "composite" of 2 videos that I shot in the following fashion:

I have 2 videos that I shot of a choir
-one video a wide shot of all the choir
-the other video closeups of individual choir members

I would like the wide shot to fill the complete screen.
I would like to "select" a portion of the close up video and have it pop up in the center (or any other portion) of the wide shot which is filling the screen. It would be great if the "selection" that is popping up could have a "feathered" soft edge.

A more generic description of this is:
You have one video filling the screen.
You then select a portion of a second video.
You then select where on the screen the want the second video to appear.
You are able to "feather" (give a soft edge) to the second video.
You are able to allow the second video to fade in and fade out.

If you can do this it would be a bonus if after you select the portion of the second video that you want to appear, you could increase or decrease the size or it.

If you can't do this in VS what hopefully not to expensive software can do this?
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Hi

You should be able to use the Multi Camera Editing feature to do that

The MCE will sync the audio streams and has a Picture in Picture option

Worth looking at MCE

Once you have selected the popups apply Chroma Key Video Mask.

Then Customise motion is very good at animating the clip.
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I'm using VS X8.5 Ultimate and tried a quick test of what you are trying - no problem or issue at all.

I only used the video timeline track and an overlay track. Mask overlay gave the feathered edge to the overlay, motion controls allowed placement and sizing motion controls. Sound settings for the overlay allowed muting or blending with the timeline video track. Overlay track fade in/out was very simple to do.

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this is a very short demo I made a while ago - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnAEG12Rygw

I am assuming that you want to do something like this (yes - not with buses - but they are videos just the same) - the demo was made using "Customise Motion"

it is very simple to add the feathered soft edges to the inset videos

only slight problem is if you want the individual singers to be synced to the main sound track - it can be done - MCE is the professional way to do it - but can be quite complicated to use - prior to X9 we simple nudged clips left and right in small amounts to line up the audio waveforms


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Thanks for the input. I created a simple project with a "main" video and a second video, the overlay overlay video.

Now here's my question. I'll reference the bus video. Assume that in the second video (the overlay video) the bus is located in the bottom left corner in the original (source) video. In other words the bus is not in the center of the video & it only occupies a small portion of the raw video. How do you place the mask so that only the bottom left portion of the the video where the bus is located "pops" up over the main video? In the referenced bus video sample it looks like the entire overlay video pops up.

Another way to describe this is:

Assume that you are using a solid white background for the main video.
Assume that for your overlay video you have a birds eye view of a chessboard with pieces in their original position on it.
Assume that you wanted the only the rook & knight in the bottom left corner to pop up in a center of the main video.


How would you place and size the mask so that only the rook & knight in the bottom left corner are selected?
Would you have to create a special mask for this?

Please note that I'm not interested in following the chess piece when it is moved. I only want to be able to select a static quadrant of the overlay video, place a mask over it & then place the masked quadrant anywhere on my main video.

Thanks!
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Re: compositing with 2 video files

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What you're describing sounds to me like you're wanting a Picture-in-Picture (PIP) effect, correct? If so then look in the FX Library for New Blue Video Essentials II or IV. New Blue Video Essentials II has a PIP effect. Drag and drop it on to the overlay clip. Then double-click on the clip to open the Attribute panel, select Customize. This opens New Blue's dialog window where you can customize the effect to suit you.

The New Blue Video Essentials IV has the Reflection effect. Follow the same procedure to apply and customize it.

You will need to experiment, and you can search YouTube for video tutorials on how to use these effects.
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I would use the "cropping" FX and put it on the chessboard and move everything around until it was where I wanted it

would be like this :-
the whole "choir"
the whole "choir"

one singer isolated and moved
one singer isolated and moved
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Re: compositing with 2 video files

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Brian,

I'll try this later today

Ron,

I'll also look at your recommendation.


Thanks Again
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Hi delaluz,

This may not be what you expected but, I experimented to try and achieve what I imagined you wanted. My video sample was not done totally within Video Studio X9. I also used Corel Paint for certain things. I attached a jpg image, along with the video, to try to explain how I did it.

MOVIE -- https://vimeo.com/195860922
IMAGE -- http://imgur.com/a/zLlCQ

Maybe it'll spark an idea?

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I'm confused now. Because in delaluz's first post he made no mention of chess, chessboard, or anything relative to the game of chess. He wanted to super-impose the overlay onto the main video. Unless I'm really missing something, Brian got us off thinking that's what delaluz wants since he provided screenshots of a chess game. I think delaluz just used chess as an analogy or symbolic reference to how he wants to achieve his effect.

Is it a checkerboard/chessboard, chess like game that you're wanting to mask out a square or two?
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I created what I did because I read this:
"Another way to describe this is:

Assume that you are using a solid white background for the main video.
Assume that for your overlay video you have a birds eye view of a chessboard with pieces in their original position on it.
Assume that you wanted the only the rook & knight in the bottom left corner to pop up in a center of the main video."
I'm sorry if I got off-track somehow. Just trying to help.
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Old_Friend wrote:I created what I did because I read this:
"Another way to describe this is:

Assume that you are using a solid white background for the main video.
Assume that for your overlay video you have a birds eye view of a chessboard with pieces in their original position on it.
Assume that you wanted the only the rook & knight in the bottom left corner to pop up in a center of the main video."
I'm sorry if I got off-track somehow. Just trying to help.
No I'm not saying you got off track, it's just I'm not sure at this point what effect he's wanting to create. Here's my take on how I understood him.
https://youtu.be/nmg8RwmXPLs
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Ron P. wrote:Is it a checkerboard/chessboard, chess like game that you're wanting to mask out a square or two?


No we are not talking checkerboard/chessboards that was just a simple explanation - as far as I am concerned we are still talking choirs and singers from it as per the original post

a whole choir filmed continuously as the background - with individual members of the choir appearing and disappearing at different times in different places at different points in the video.


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But, isn't the concept just the same irregardless of what the main video is displaying? Mine is white; his is a choir. Forget chessboards for a minute!
Isn't that why the original poster (delaluz) gave "Another way to describe..." his objective with his "chessboard example?

I'm sure there's a better way to accomplish what he wants, other than my example.
But, I don't have video of a choir (and, he hasn't provided that video) so, I used the chessboard (his example!) which I downloaded from a distant website. Oh, well. Never mind.
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Re: compositing with 2 video files

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I sure gathered some interest on this!

Brian is correct. I'm working with a choir and singers. I used the chessboard trying to illustrate selecting a small portion of a video to overlay and being able to display it anywhere on the primary video.

I tried it using the crop fx per Brian's suggestion & it looked like it worked. When I have more time tomorrow I will look at some of the other suggestions.

Again, thanks & sorry for the confusion.
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