24p onto Blu Ray disc help

[RobP_V8_Guy]

I have footage that was shot at true 24p 4k (video details in Videostudio shows frame rate: 24.000 frames/sec, 4096x2160). When I choose the "share" tab, "Blu-ray", the settings now show 25p and it's grayed out. It won't let me change it back to 24p. I'm in NTSC land also.

I originally opened Videostudio, set the project properties to Blu-ray, 24 frames/sec, 1920x1080, H.264, 28000 Kbps.

So I believe I set up everything correctley before I started to edit footage. Is there another setting or is there something I am doing wrong?

[lata]

Hi Rob

What are the original properties of your video file, from the timeline, right click and choose properties, what are they?
If 4K they will be converted to 1920 x 1080 to burn the disc.

1 / Go to Share – AVC H.264 option (AVC 1920 x 1080, 24p, 24Mbps)
should render the project to a m2t video file, play that file to check quality.

2 / Start a new project, nothing on the timelines

3 / Share Create Disc – Bluray will open the burner module, top left Add Video adding your new m2t file.

4 / Settings Cogwheel, make sure Do Not Convert Compliant video…. Is selected,
Choose appropriate navigation controls --- OK to close the panel.

5 / Last panel choose to Create Blu-ray folder, this will run the burner module and create a BDMV folder, Process should start with Convert Menu, if Convert title shows then the video is being rendered again, not what you want?
Access the BDMV folder to locate the Stream folder this will contain your video file, import that file to VS timeline to check settings, should be same as original made in 1 above.

I now use a program called Image Burn to burn the BDMV folder to disc.
Although you could use VS in 5 above to burn a disc.

[RobP_V8_Guy]

I will try your suggestion, thank you. Here are the properties of the videofile, according to MediaInfo...
General
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID : mp42 (mp42/avc1)
File size : 3.97 GiB
Duration : 6 min
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 91.8 Mb/s

Video
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L5.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Duration : 6 min
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 90.2 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate : 106 Mb/s
Width : 4 096 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 1.896
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 24.000 FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.425
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.709

Other
ID : 3
Type : Time code
Format : QuickTime TC
Duration : 6 min
Time code of first frame : 02:23:48:04
Bit rate mode : CBR

[RobP_V8_Guy]

I have tried your suggestion to the letter (render to AVC H.264 option (AVC 1920 x 1080, 24p, 24Mbps), open a new project, dont add the video file but go straight to share tab then add the new m2t video file, cog wheel options, etc.) and still in Videostudio, it still only gives me a 25p option that is grayed out in options menu (clicking on the cog wheel in the share option). I double checked that "Do Not Convert Compliant video" was check marked.

It took some time to convert the video file to a m2t file. The video file plays well with very good quality when played in the VLC player.

I anticipated the video being downscaled to 1080 for Blu-ray. The only reason why I chose to shoot in 4k was because many people on youtube, and while I was out taking pictures the people I have met, all said that if I shoot in 4k and downscale the footage to 1080, it will look noticeably better than if I were to shoot just in 1080.

I have also been using imageburn myself as I prefer to have a look at the final output before burning to DVD's or Blu-ray's, as this has saved me countless wasted discs.

[lata]

Hi Rob

By using a compliant video using 23.97 (24fps) when we burn a disc the video is not converted but uses the original properties, as in Do Not Convert Compliant ……….option, the settings showing there are not used, ignore them.

When we hit burn - the process starts with Convert Menu, if Convert Title showed then the video would be rendered again, using the options cogwheel settings.
Providing your process started with Convert Menu the stream folder containing the video will be using 24fps. The original properties of your video file.

Try the process again using say a 1 minute video as a test will complete quickly.
Import the video from Stream folder to VS timeline, right click for properties.

[RobP_V8_Guy]

Thanks for all your suggestions lata, however, the problem still exists. I have tried so new things, but with no success. Here is what I have tried lately, all using just 10 sec video clips. After the video clips were rendered, I closed out VS and re-opened it starting a new project in the format the video was just created to. The video settings always show as NTSC as well. So still, when creating a blu-ray disc, the only option is 25p PAL. Still not understanding why VS always wants to convert to PAL for blu-ray. I also tried another older video clip that was set at 60p NTSC and it will convert just fine to 29.97 NTSC for blu-ray, no other option for frame rate availible.

One thing that did work....If I open a new project with the settings at 29.97 fps, 1920x1080, I can create a blu ray NTSC disc using the original true 24 fps(not 23.97 fps) video file but the fps is grayed out and not able to change.
Do you have any other suggestions? I am worried that just making a 29.97 blu ray from 24.00 footage will be glitchy.

Open new project, change settings to 24 fps (using the Share tab --> AVC / H.264) options set to 24 fps, frame-based, AVCHD checked and unchecked, 28000kbps, 1920x1080, 16:9.

Open new project, change settings to 23.97 fps (using the Share tab --> AVC / H.264) options set to 23.97 fps, frame-based, AVCHD checked and unchecked, 28000kbps, 1920x1080, 16:9.

[lata]

Hi

First any settings that are greyed out usually indicate that the settings cannot be changed.
I must admit that seeing Pal could be a little concerting.
I have installed to Pal so cannot really replicate this issue.

I will try a few more tests using NTSC video to see what I get, dont see any reference to Pal.

I have created a 30 second NTSC 24 fps
I used the standard template from Share AVC/H.264 – AVC (1920 x 1080,24p, 24fps) to render convert my video:-

MPEG Transport-Stream Files
24 bits, 1920 x 1080, 23.976 fps
Frame-based
(HDMV-NTSC), 16:9
H.264 Video
Video data rate: Variable (Max. 24000 kbps)
Audio data rate: 384 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio, 48 KHz, 2/0(L,R)

Using the file created above I burned a BDMV Folder
https://1drv.ms/f/s!ApBs8FwBwJ5jhmNSlrbNFum2dGAX

Download the two files.
Open the VSP project file.
Go to Share Disc – Bluray
Add the video file

Burn a BD Folder,
The process should start with convert menu,
The BDMV Stream folder contains a video using same properties as original video.

[RobP_V8_Guy]

Unfortunately, every time I load your project file, VS crashes immediately. So I used just the video clip. I did "New Project --> Share -->Blu-ray". I then used the "Add Video Clip" and added your video. I then press the settings "Cog wheel" and it shows 25p PAL.

Here are the screen shots.

[lata]

Hi

Very strange that the VSP crashes your system.
That project is empty and only used to set the project properties?

Go to
Settings - Project Properties, what are they using 25fps(50i) or 29.97.(60i)
Go to Settings – Preferences
At the bottom of the page is the TV System option, by default will be NTSC, what is your setting?

Your original video -- direct from camera is that Pal or NTSC, the frame rate of 23.97 is used by both?

Ignoring the cogwheel settings, when you hit Burn does the process start with Convert Menu, or does it start with Convert Title.

If you are using a compatible video then it should start with Convert Menu.
The output video being the same as original.

[RobP_V8_Guy]

I'm sorry, I don't understand the question

That project is empty and only used to set the project properties?

I finally got your project to open by opening Videostudio first, then File --> Open Project, and selecting the project. The project is empty though. So I went to the Share tab --> Add video files, added your video. I then just created the BD Files, ignoring the cog wheel as suggested. It took 6 sec to complete. I open up MediaInfo and put that blu ray clip in and it does say NTSC 23.97! So we got somewhere. Thanks. It's got to be something with the video then, but I'm not sure what to do about it.

Go to Settings – Preferences
At the bottom of the page is the TV System option, by default will be NTSC, what is your setting?

This info is not listed (see pic). When I goto Settings --> Prefrences --> Edit tab, the "Apply color filter" is checked and has NTSC selected (see pic).

My camera is a GH4 and the settings for video are either 24.00Hz(cinema), 59.94Hz(NTSC) or 50.00Hz(PAL). I used the 24.00Hz(cinema). The format is set to MP4 (LPCM), C4K 4096x2160, 24.00p, 100Mbps.

Project properties when I open VS is set to...
MPEG Transport-Stream Files
24 bits, 1920 x 1080, 24 fps
Frame-based
(HDMV-NTSC), 16:9
H.264 Video
Video data rate: Variable (Max. 40000 kbps)
Audio data rate: 256 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio, 48 KHz, 2/0(L,R)

Here is your video info from MediaInfo after BD folders are created...
Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Format : AVC
Format profile : High@L4.1
Bit rate : 16.0 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate : 24.0 Mb/s
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Standard : NTSC
Scan type : Progressive

Here is my video info from MediaInfo after BD folders are created, using your project...
Video
Bit rate : 29.3 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate : 35.0 Mb/s
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 25.000 FPS
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Bottom Field First

[lata]

Hi

First are you using CVSX9, if no ignore the Settings Preferences.....

Settings – Preferences first panel is General tab, (sorry I should have mentioned the General Tab ) bottom of that window should be the TV system. I think that will be set to NTSC.

Pal or NTSC cameras, I had thought that cameras are one or the other and choosing both Pal and NTSC is not possible.

If you choose to record to the other formats not (cinema ) are you able to record a NTSC video using 29.97 fps.

The cinema option would record to 23.97, but that rate can be Pal or NTSC.
If your camera is indeed a Pal version then the Cinema option would be a Pal video.

We do seem to be getting some conflict with you seeing 25 fps, a pal setting, and if the cinema is pal then that would explain why Video Studio shows pal properties.

If your camera can indeed record to both Pal and NTSC make sure it is set to NTSC.

Are you able to provide us with a sample, original footage from the camera.
Upload to a sharing site and provide a share link on your post.

Post updated

After reading a review on the camera --- Yes the camera can record to both NTSC and Pal, however I believe the Cinema option is Pal not NTSC.

[RobP_V8_Guy]

I am using VS x8.5.

The camera was bought in the US from a store, so it should be a US model camera.

The settings for the camera....
If you select "59.94Hz(NTSC)", you are prompted to turn off the camera and turn it back on for it to reset. After that, you can select "MP4 (LPCM), 3840x2160, 23.98p, 100Mbps" or a 29.97 option as well. However, when you select "24.00Hz(cinema)", reset the camera, your options are only "MP4 (LPCM), 4096x2160, 24.00p 100Mbps" or "MP4 (LPCM), 3840x2160, 24.00p 100Mbps". Also a 200Mbps option but all are "24.00p".

Here is a link for a short 5 sec clip. It's pretty big at 35mb. I also was not able to render at the exact settings of original footage, but close, still brings it up as 23.976 fps, not the original 24 fps.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwz-c- ... sp=sharing

*I had the wrong file selected for sharing, here is the updated link.

[RobP_V8_Guy]

I just noticed your updated post, and if your correct about the cinema option only for PAL, well, that sucks. I made some test runs rendering the video out to 1080 at 29.97, I haven't noticed any jitters. That maybe my only options at this point. Agreed?

[lata]

Hi

Cinema is only a name, a description
You can set NTSC 1920 x 1080 x 24 (23.97fps) as a recording
Using 23.97 allows you to use Progressive, I think that may be better quality than 29.97 interlaced.
Whether that is noticeable I don’t know???????

but you should be able to burn a BD with the cinema recordings, but for future work set camera as NTSC

Getting a little late here, good night

[lata]

Hi

Ok I was able to convert the video file to NTSC 1920 x 1080 x 24p
Then use that file to burn a BDMV folder without re-coding so using the same properties.

This post has identified a shortfall in the way the program handles 24P m2t video., and that may be the reason why I suspected your camera as recording Pal.
I would however try recording to the NTSC 1920 x 1080 x 24p option
There is little difference in the 24P NTSC and Pal video, I think the main difference will be the color filter used, Pal or NTSC.
So I am uncertain that the “Cinema” option is Pal or Ntsc.

Ok I had thought you were using X9 for X8

1 / Go to Settings – Preferences – tick Show messages when inserting first video…
2 / Start a new project and add your 4K video, you should get a message, view the details then Yes.
That will set the project properties to match the video files properties, using 24fps correctly will display all frames.

3/ Share – AVC/H.264 Choosing the template ---- AVC (1920 x 1080, 24p, 24Mbps)

MPEG Transport-Stream Files
24 bits, 1920 x 1080, 23.976 fps
Frame-based
(HDMV-PAL), 16:9 -- I assume you see --- (HDMV-NTSC), 16:9
H.264 Video
Video data rate: Variable (Max. 24000 kbps)
Audio data rate: 384 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio, 48 KHz, 2/0(L,R)

That will convert the project to M2T which we use to burn the disc.

4 / Clear the timelines, start a new project would do that
5 / Share Disc – Bluray
6 / Add Video adding the video made in 3 above
7 / check the video properties by pressing the “I” info icon to the left.
8/ Cogwheel Project Settings, set the navigation controls.
Ignore the top panels details, these are not used as the video is a compliant Bluray file.
Do not Convert however must be selected.

9 / Burn a Bluray Folder, the video will use the properties shown above.
The process should start with Convert Menu, Convert Title and your project is being rendered using the Cogwheel settings, we do not want that.

I have tried this with both X8 and X9 and in both cases created a good BDMV folder.