Loading VS onto your SSD ....

[Woodstock]

My PC has decent specs, it has a large HD and a small SSD ( plan to add more SSD over time ) but I am totally out of my depth in terms of PC/editing. Can someone tell me please, would i be best to load Video Studio / Ulead photo etc onto my SSD OR my 2tb harddrive?

Just under the impression to save eg photos onto your mechanical drive is slower than if saved onto SSD. Just curious. Wanting best method possible I suppose, if I'm loading VS etc onto my PC may as well get it right.

Any advice, in easy to understand terms, welcome.

thanks

[wstagner]

Maybe a better question might be WHO around here has an SSD drive and does any 1 have VS installed on it?
Anything will load faster from an SSD drive, but once the program or content is loaded it's up to the CPU, video card/memory to maintain performance.

I have SSD drives in my system, but only my data/video files reside there, no programs.
I have various versions of VS installed on my HD. In preferences you can change the temporary file/work folders to be the SSD drive.
That should speed things up a little too.

[Woodstock]

Thanks for the reply and for the advice re emailing shorter posts

So, it makes not a jot then to load VS onto my SSD - other than intial startup will be quicker. Fair enough then, I will load onto normal working drive.

Would photos, video be best to load straight onto SSD? - will VS take it from there quicker? or down to processor etc like you mentioned.

In a nutshell...for VS..ignore SSD then.

[pepegota]

Also, the loading of the SSD would reduce its life expectancy, if used frequently.
My SSD is for startup. My programs are on a partitioned HD for programs and Work..
That's why Hibernation is an SSD killer-too many read and writes.

[Woodstock]

Pepe, thanks for the reply. It brings me to ask - SSD then not really the future? My PC has a small SSD..what use is it / or how best to use it. I figured I could load any photos or video onto it..and then bring across into VS and a photo editer etc...Maybe i shouldnt consider this then?

Just keep SSD free..aside from having Windows 10 on it perhaps?

101 uses of an SSD ( esp for video/photo editing ) more than welcome!!!

[pepegota]

A good article on SSD longevity. http://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-ssds-sol ... n/?ref=yfp

[Woodstock]

A tad disappointed by the level of responce for this topic. Was hoping that - with all the knowledge and experiance out there for VS someone would be able to give me a simple answer.

Should I be loading VS ( and other Corel photo editing packages ) onto my SSD drive? I have 'tried' to understand about all things SSD - aware of it's benefits and longetivity etc but I don't understand whether loading VS onto SSD is a good or a bad thing.

Happy to wait 2 minutes for VS to load up...assuming if loaded onto SSD then would be more instant - but the important question is... in terms of loading video footage or photos...do i load them onto my normal mechanical harddrive? any benefits of loading them directly onto my SSD?

Thoughts welcome. Whats your setup like?

[canuck]

The lack of response perhaps may be due to the fact not too many people have SSD installed.

[Woodstock]

Thanks for replying.

In the vein hope of keeping this thread alive...

Surely to goodness SSD isnt THAT new! I'm certainly a newbie to both computers and videoediting hence the reason for the thread. I know in the past Rendering etc ( as per so many threads on this site ) takes a while/crashes etc Would rendering to the SSD speed things up - IF SO - is it a good idea to render ( assuming you can??? ) to the SSD..as lifespan of SSD is limited etc..

The blind leading the blind i know..but if you have any experiance of SSD and how best to use them in video and photo editing well here is the thread to reply too..

thanks once again ( in anticipation )

[lata]

Hi


I installed SSD about 8 months ago

As my original intention I installed my operating system to SSD, and yes from the offset was impressed with the speed. Even installing Windows seemed faster than I remember.
Moving files, transferring data seemed faster.

Having an older pc being a little slow seemed to benefit from this faster drive.
Whether installing with a i7 6300 will show the difference is debatable?

I have always saved my personal data, Images / Video to a separate drive, not on “C”
That can of course be difficult with the way windows works.

I always install my programs to my C:Drive so now all my programs reside on the SSD.
I create a Disc Image of that drive.
Any software failure of the C:Drive and my video files are relatively safe, and recovery is easy.


lifespan of SSD

Reading the article provided by pepegota is interesting, I don’t pretend to understand it all and will read again.
But the main criteria is not to delete files, clearly we have to cleanup sometime.
Some process should be avoided, Defragment etc, not required and does damage.

Any files we add to the SSD should be there permanently (just a thought) , downloading files to the download folder then moving to another drive may be the norm, deleting the contents of the download folder then impacts on life span, maybe a fraction of a second, take time to download files to their permanent location.
I am sure there are other things we can do as part of good housekeeping.

Video Studio and SSD.
First rendering using Share has not improved as regards speed, at least I have not noticed any significant changes, I believe the CPU is responsible for render times.
I will do a check rendering to SSD and rendering to other drives (E:Drive) location of the video files. I’ll get back to you to say if one is faster than the other, I doubt it though….
I will also check times to import video to VS from SSD and other drives. (maybe lose a year in the life of SSD doing that )

Does Video Studio affect SSD lifespan?
Video Studio uses Smart Proxy, files created for our projects saved to the SSD and will be deleted at some time, and these could be quite large, they will impact on SSD.
I intend moving my Smart Proxy folder away from SSD, every little helps.
Other files are saved when burning Discs if we allow Create titles that is

But most programs will save temp files to be removed later, as far as I am aware all those will impact on SSD lifespan.


So misuse of the drive reduces the life expectancy, how long would that be?
The article quotes 50Gb of data per day and it would last 12 years. Does it just stop?

I’ll give it some more thought…..

[Woodstock]

Thank you Lata for the informative reply which i read with interest. I still dont pretend to understand it all ( no fault of your own ) but helps me a little understand the process..

A couple of things you mentioned, about my processor I76300...do you think my PC isnt really up the job of decent video editing - not 4k footage, just the 1080p type. Yet to really try it out. Thought the spec was ok.

Keen to work out exactly where best to install VS - on my SSD or larger mechnical harddrive?

1 other thing - i dont quite understand...you said, " I always install my programs to my C:Drive so now all my programs reside on the SSD."
You install on your C: ( which ISNT the general , older, mechnical, harddrive then? ).

In a nutshell,


Can I, or should I...

Load VS ( and other photoediting software ) onto my SSD.
Then,
Any video footage and / or photos - I load into my normal/larger mechanical drive ( Im aware , from what Ive read, SSD are good to load photos on because accesses them quicker but equally aware how SSD fills up etc so i wouldnt use that ).

So, is there any point loading VS onto SSD, I render, edit etc via normal mechnical drive etc

Not really sure the point I would be using my SSD drive...windows 10 is preinstalled ( not certain if installed on normal drive ).

Dragging this one out - sorry. But basically, How best can I use my SSD drive for video editing and photo editing...or not bother with it? General use only...not using loads of layers etc and only 1080p footage.

Thanks once again.

[lata]

Hi
just read your reply, so have added to my reply below re testing....

First we have different set ups.

A little history of my computer goes back to Windows 10, we purchased a SSD, installed Windows 7 to have a clean install then free upgraded to Windows 10,
I had a lot of problems with Windows 10 reverted back to W7 but still had SSD issues?, that turned out to be a Bios setting. All ok now.
Now—last month I try Windows 10 again, all seem to be working ok, so far.

As it stands now I have a SSD with windows 10 installed.
Some users do prefer to install programs to other drives than C:Drive but I always install to the programs default location, and that’s C:drive.

My comment regarding your CPU was supposed to say that you have a much quicker processor than my older version and should perform very well. It is my old PC that need help to speed things up, new drives, new CPU, help in the way of a SSD is gonna be noticeable. Your i7 is a flying machine compared to my set up.

I may be wrong but if we want to take advantage of the SSD speeds then we need to install windows to SSD, personal opinion, I may be completely wrong.

As you stand with the operating system installed on a normal drive.
You could install VS on SSD, keeping your video files on existing drive will protect SSD from unnecessary deletes.
You can check Video Studio performance, and if it does improve things that’s ok, if not its no problem to uninstall and re-install on C:Drive.

Simply importing our video files to SSD defeats the “save lifespan” issues, as we would be adding and removing files as we do normally, if not then the SSD is being use to archive our data, and that does not require speed, just a safe location.
I could of course be way off line here.

A few time trials………………….
I imported a number of files to timeline to compare file locations re time to import.
File location SSD 12 seconds
File location Drive:e 12 seconds

Using same files but saved to different drives.
I opened a 26 minute project containing 60 MTS at 3.5 Gb + images and audio
SSD and Drive:e both drives took the same time to load project, similar to importing files, refreshing the timeline to view the thumbnails took the longest approx. 45 seconds.
Always seems to take a long time refreshing the timeline first time round.

Windows is installed on SSD and I believe the above imports are faster now using SSD, if my memory serves me right.

Share…………
Render from SSD to SSD 21 minutes

Render from Drive:e to Drive:e 21 minutes

Both renders used the same properties and Smart Render.
I re-booted the program between each test.
Again I think faster now with SSD, the 25 minute projects were rendered under real time at 21 minutes.
I do recall having renders at 1.4 times, above real time, so some improvement there, although newer versions of the program may be more efficient, hmmm.

All in all things are faster with Windows installed to SSD, I would have to remove the drive, re-install windows on an older drive to make that statement conclusive.

Clear as mud---hoping you understand all that

But I can now see your predicament and the decision you have to make.

Is installing SSD for data storage on a fast pc gonna see any improvement?
Installing Video Studio on SSD may improve VS performance, you should be able try that with no problems.
If the above does not improve performance then should you install the Operating System to SSD,(I do not know) my SSD came with a disc that would transfer my OS over, i did not use as i installed W7 as new, big decision.

I think you have some testing to do, create a 30 minute project as a bench mark, times to load, times to render etc.
Then re-install VS to SSD to test project again.

I have some painting to do, the only decision is what colour

[Woodstock]

Lata once again humbly appreciative of your reply and 'testing'. Glad to read my 'new' pc should be ok ( spent a while debating which one, money always an issue ) seems like by the time i pay it off will be time to upgrade which suits me fine.

I read and will re-read ( need to make sense of it ) your reply, thanks again. Seems like windows on SSD is the way to go so will check that out.

I will put this thread to bed as habit of dragging it out..however one question (which - sorry if you have already answered it! )..I have looked on other sites etc..youtube..surprisingly not able to really answer my question..

IF i load up VS ( and paintshop etc ) onto my SSD ...AND then ANY video i download/make/create/edit/bring into my PC is done via the normal 'harddrive' ....will having VS on my SSD ..going in and going out of it time after time...clog it up ( techinical term i know ).. Thats all i want to know really.

As for your paint colour, a 'grey-blue/eggshell' is always a winner..a hint of 'poshness/stately home' about it, not too cold and just a general nice colour match with an oak furniture etc.

[lata]

Hi

“Clog it up” I don’t really know what you think will clog up, the drive of Video Studo.

But no.

When we add video to the timeline we are not moving or adding the files, Video Studio creates links to the files to display the video as virtual clips, think of them as thumbnails.
Editing does not alter the files on the hard drive, they remain intact, the Share options will render a new video file.

You should test the program as installed now, then install on SSD, is there any improvement, unless there is a significant change in render times or timeline reaction times I doubt you will see any change.

Its all new to me, just a learning curve, how good are SSD’s

[depwraith]

I have a 250GB SSD that contains Windows 10 and a 2 TB HDD that I use for programs. I purchased VideoStudio Ultimate X9.5 yesterday and installed it...and quickly realized it would only install on my "C" drive; the SSD-which is where I didn't want it. It works fine, but I try to keep all programs on the bigger drive as the SSD is for the OS and other bootable programs. I contacted Corel and was provided with a response that basically was in very broken English and said that recommend the "C" drive as some "files and resources" associated with VideoStudio are on the C drive. Also said that some files wouldn't be able to be located by VideoStudio if it wasn't installed on the C drive; which is utter B.S.. I replied back requesting a supervisor review it, but the fact the installation doesn't even give the installer a choice of drive location is ridiculous. I was able to install Da Vinci, Sony Vegas Pro and Hit Film Express 4 all on my other drive and they all work fine...really making me not want to use Corel in the future.