Trial useless - Is 4:2:2 supported?

[TonyP]

Fred, I tried with Aiseesoft MXF Converter V6.3.
If you give us 8bit clip we can confirm if indeed this is the culprit.

**I update my VLC, now I get the video but no meow

Yes, it played in my version of VLC, but no audio? Is there audio in this clip?

What didn't play the clip on my computer... Hitfilm 3, PowerDirector13 Ultimate, Magix Movie Edit Pro 2016 Premium, Videostudio Pro X9 Ultimate. The only editor that did play it back is Pinnacle Studio 19 Ultimate. Now the question is, was there audio sound in the clip. I can't see any waveform.

[aljimenez]

The free version of Davinci Resolve 12 handles the file well. It has audio but there is just a base humm in it.

[TonyP]

Ok... I thought so. I turned the volume up all the way and heard "hiss"...

[Phox55]

My experience is that CorelStudio X9 Ultimate will read in the 10bit 4:2:2 files from a Sony PXW-X70, MXF XAVC-L, but it will NOT render them out properly. it goes through the actions, completes the task (sort of) but no message comes up to say "completed successfully" (as it does for any other export), the files just don't appear in the selected folder (or anywhere else).
The other file formats I use are Sony's XAVC-S and they work fine (from other Sony cameras) and the AVCHD files from the Sony PXW-X70 work as well.
Not happy with Corel at the moment as my purchase of the CorelStudio X9 Ultimate Upgrade and the Sony PXW-X70 was based on my research and Corel's advice that the MXF files would be fine. The manual says that as well, but only using CorelStudio X9 'Ultimate', not the standard version.

[Ken Berry]

Not happy with Corel at the moment as my purchase of the CorelStudio X9 Ultimate Upgrade and the Sony PXW-X70 was based on my research and Corel's advice that the MXF files would be fine. The manual says that as well, but only using CorelStudio X9 'Ultimate', not the standard version.

The Video Studio program in the Standard (Pro) version and the Ultimate version are identical. The only difference is that the Ultimate package comes with several extra plug-ins like Boris Graffiti, Mercalli etc. And none of them would give VS any extra ability to handle MXF files.

Personally, I was under the impression that VS could only handle XAVC-S, and none of the other versions of XAVC would work. Nor do I recall any advice from Corel that this had changed in X9.

[Phox55]

That's probably correct Ken about XAVC-S, and those files work fine. This is an extract from the PDF manual on page 10:
"More formats supported Enjoy more compatibility with support for HEVC (H.265) and *MXF (XAVC). HEVC improves on H.264 by offering improved compression (files can be in the range of 50% smaller), making the new format ideal for keeping files sizes lower especially when creating 4K projects."

On page 14 the manual states that '**VideoStudio Ultimate only' is supported in relations to MXF files (on page 13).

I find Codecs and Wrappers a bit confusing but this website seems to explain it OK with a small table to help:
http://www.divergentmedia.com/blog/understand-xavc/
Wikipedia also have some information on the subject of course.

I'm hoping there is an answer to working with Sony's XAVC-L file format, or a plugin at least.

[Ken Berry]

I was one of the beta testers for X9, and H.265 came up in our discussions. But that discussion, plus other information freely available on the internet, clearly indicates that unless you have 6th generation Intel Skylake CPUs, you can't encode H.265 video (though apparently X9 can decode it with 4th generation Intel Haswell hardware).

So all I can say about the PDF Guide is that it must be read with that in the back of your mind. A $100 editing program is not going to get around that hardware limitation. But if you have the hardware, then it indicates X9 can handle that codec. Moreover, unless the hardware is there when X9 is installed, it does not install the codec or the H.265 output option.

I confess ignorance about MXF, though it is of course an older format than H.265, so a wider range of hardware probably supports it. I don't recall if it was specifically discussed in the beta trials, but hopefully someone with a better memory might jump in here. All that I recall was a brief reference (by Corel) in the earliest stage of testing to it being accessible in X9 for the first time -- but again it was hardware-dependent, although the exact hardware required was not mentioned IIRC. I might also note that p.13 of the PDF only indicates that MXF can be imported, but it is not among the export formats.

Regardless, I remain puzzled by the reference to the Ultimate version being able to handle H.265, as opposed to the Pro (standard) version. As I have already said, we have been under the impression that the Video Studio element in both packages is absolutely identical, and it is only the extra plug-ins that make the Ultimate version different. And none of those plug-ins AFAIK would give either VS package the ability to handle H.265/HEVC, particularly if the hardware (6th gen Skylake CPU) was absent. The only possibility I can think of is that if you have Skylake, then the Ultimate version of VS might be the only package that installs the H.265 codec. That would appear to be the only interpretation of p.14 of the PDF's ** footnote to HEVC export. But we were never given any further information by Corel, and I can only repeat that we were all AFAIK under the impression that VS was identical in both Pro and Ultimate versions.

[asik1]

I have no idea why X9 will not encode to H265 with any hardware, I have a converter 18 months old that will convert to it with my crackling system.

[Ken Berry]

According to what is on the internet (and from Intel), it is not just Video Studio which is not supposed to be able to handle H.265 without the necessary hardware (4th gen Haswell to decode, 6th gen Skylake to encode). All video editors are supposed to be like this.

What is the converter you use?

[asik1]

This is ver 7.0 I recived march.2015 to test.

38 Sec HD 7MB/s mts, took ~ 300sec to convert to H265 on AUTO settings.

Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media
Codec ID : isom
File size : 18.0 MiB
Duration : 38s 302ms
Overall bit rate : 3 948 Kbps
Writing application : Lavf55.33.100
Video
ID : 1
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main@L4.0
Codec ID : hev1
Codec ID/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration : 38s 280ms
Bit rate : 3 687 Kbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan type, store method : Interleaved fields
Scan order : Top Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.071
Stream size : 16.8 MiB (93%)

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile : LC
Codec ID : 40
Duration : 38s 302ms
Duration_LastFrame : -13ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 256 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 1.17 MiB (6%)

Last week I received 9.4
http://www.videoconverterfactory.com/hd ... converter/

[Ken Berry]

Will it play in software players like VLC?

[asik1]

Will it play in software players like VLC?

It will play audio only on vlc215 but OK on 222.
It plays OK on LA487 and MPCHC176
WMP12 plays only audio , QT774 gives error.
my X9 loads it as audio only.

*** conversion in ver9.4 was a bit quicker
(Auto settings is not that great it's better to modify it)

[Phox55]

This is my screen showing the temporary files being created during the rendering process. Everything appears to work OK, just that no finished or final file appears.
Hmmm... sorry, I don't know how to include screen shots.

[canuck]

Will it play in software players like VLC?

It will play audio only on vlc215 but OK on 222.
It plays OK on LA487 and MPCHC176
WMP12 plays only audio , QT774 gives error.
my X9 loads it as audio only.

*** conversion in ver9.4 was a bit quicker
(Auto settings is not that great it's better to modify it)

con2.jpg

What is LA487, MPCHC176,QT774? It is useless to throw out these "names" without mentioning what they are.

[Ken Berry]

I have no idea what LA is either. But believe MPCHC is Media Player Classic - Home Cinema. And QT is pretty obviously Quicktime. The numbers are, I believe, version numbers -- albeit missing a few full stops/periods.