Trial useless - Is 4:2:2 supported?

[fredb]

I own X7 which does not support the Sony PXW X70's XAVCHD 4:2:2 format. VideoStudio X9 claims support for MXF (the wrapper) and AVCHD but I can't find information that it supports 4:2:2 Long GOP.
I downloaded the trial but of course it is so limited that it is useless, I can't determine what Ultimate X9 is capable of based on it.

Does nayone know if that format is supported and X9 can work with it? I want to be able to use smartrender (MPEG optimizer) in X9 with that camera.

Thanks

[asik1]

fred, if you upload for us a 5 sec PXW X70 clip we can try it for you.

[fredb]

Here's a short sample: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id= ... sp=sharing

Thanks for trying it for me!

[BrianCee]

For me - Videostudio X9 will not import it - "File format mismatch" - but it does play in VLC player

wait and see what asik can do with it

[TonyP]

Brian, I too could not import it and got the same error message as you. Corel's other family member didn't have a problem.
BTW... nice cat!

[asik1]

Sorry, no luck either. I don't think that processing 10bits is in the scope of 100$ X9.
I tried to tweak something in VS but it didn't help.
My VLC didn't play it,
my MXF converter didn't either
Only ZOOM player did but.... with no sound.
I think that this "MXF support" should be taken with a pinch of salt, unless more detailed info will be given by corel.
(as just MXF is like AVI, it tell nothing of it's content)

---- Or maybe it's the 6 PCM tracks? I never worked (or have any in my test clips bin) with 5.1 clips , or with PCM in an avc video file so I can't compare it.

P.S. Fred, you call 6 frames, long GOP?

[fredb]

Corel's other family member didn't have a problem.

What do you mean, were you able to open it somehow?

My VLC didn't play it,

For VLC, you need to update your copy, 2.21 plays the file fine.

my MXF converter didn't either

Which MXF converter did you use?

I don't think that processing 10bits is in the scope of 100$ X9.

I think that you are right, it is the 10 bit processing that is missing in X9. I tried Sony's own MovieStudio without success either. Converting the file to 8 bit would do the trick, but then again you can switch the format in the camera and record in 8 bit to avoid any conversion.

I've been a Corel/Ulead customer forever. I actually own MediaStudio Pro (for those who remember it), which was a Pro package and cost the same as other Pro software of today such as Premiere and Sony Vegas Pro (they support 10 bit) or FCP on the Mac.
When they dropped MediaStudio and added the "Pro" at the end of VideoStudio, I was hoping that they would keep it at the same level as the other Pro offerings. Alas it looks like they are not playing in the same league.

It is really frustrating to have such a crippled trial version. There is no way to evaluate the value of the software. Corel is probably losing a lot of customers that way if people use the trial as the primary decision making tool.

Thanks for testing this feature for me, I really appreciate the help I got from early adopters of X9!

[TonyP]

I would opt for Corel having a full feature trial with watermakers. That way, people can make a decision based on the actual product.

[Ken Berry]

FWIW, Corel only began issuing severely crippled trial versions with Video Studio X8. Before then all trial versions were fully functional and only time-limited. It seems the bean counters intervened with X8 and now X9. Anything which involves a licence fee to third parties (e.g. formats/codecs) has thus been stripped out. We remonstrated continuously with Corel, arguing that people were hardly likely to buy a product they couldn't properly test or worse, which gave questionable or very negative results. But it seems we have been ignored again...

[TonyP]

I guess margins are very close with software in this price range. As you said, they have to pay for licensing certain parts of the software. If they don't sell, they still have to pay every time someone downloads it, whether they use it or not. I'm guessing they know that ratio of downloading and buying.
A lot has changed over the years with software in the consumer price range.....

[fredb]

I would argue the other way: if Corel does not sell well, then the providers of licensed parts used in VideoStudio will get less revenue. It is in their interest for Corel to offer a valid, fully working trial of X9 to attract new customers. As a consequence, Corel could work with them on paying little to no license fees on trials unless they sell full copies of the final software. Who's going to use a bunch of .dlls by themselves if the enabling software has passed its 30 days expiration date?

I feel It is poor long term marketing on Corel's part, they will lose market share if they can't demo what their software is really are capable of.

[TonyP]

I personally do not know what goes on behind the scenes in Corel. I don't know what their margin of profit is or what their licensing agreements are. Also, I don't know about expired features that they have to pay to third party groups or not. This is something only they can answer as to what works. For the most part, their software does work with a wide variety of consumer cameras. It "sucks" when it doesn't support a camera someone does have and they want the software. Hey, you wrote the even Sony's own consumer editor does not support the camera fully. I tried your file in a few other editors I have on my computer, and only one editor was able to play it. As I said, it is in the Corel family. The German consumer editor does not even list it as a supported file format, but it's pro editor does. The "fastest" one (I have last years) doesn't import it. The special FX video editor supports MXF (DVCPro HD). The CC people's consumer editor also does not support the MXF file format.
I have posted that the file did not import in X9U. Even if VS was a full featured and working trial, you would not be able to import your file into it to edit. You can download the trial version and see if the 8bit file format works. Clearly, the 10bit doesn't as confirmed by 3 of us who tried it.
It doesn't leave you much choice in the consumer world....
As I said, I would opt for a full functioning version with watermark, but that's me. Corel obviously thinks differently on this.

[asik1]

Fred, I tried with Aiseesoft MXF Converter V6.3.
If you give us 8bit clip we can confirm if indeed this is the culprit.

**I update my VLC, now I get the video but no meow

[RobertOZ]

Clip does not play in Adobe Premiere Elements 14 or Sony Movie Studio 13 Platinum
The camera must have come with software that does support that format

[skier-hughes]

I tried in my version 6 of Grass Valley Edius, which supports 10 bit files, but it only recognised this as an audio file and then refused to make a sound