Okay, I know this is an old problem. But my search didn't lead anywhere useful (searched "video clip order" and "inserting video clips in order"). So I appeal to you, the wise current participants in our forum.
I have seven one-hour videotapes of my vacation. I capture (or transfer) them to my HD via Firewire, using "split by scene." VS8 turns one hour of video into 160 clips and puts them into the designated folder in chronological order except for the first clip, whose name is slightly different and is always listed last. (That last clip is the one I point to, when I need to "relink.")
When I want to insert a series of these clips (or all of them) into the Timeline, they get listed in reverse order. Clicking "OK" will put them into the Timeline in the opposite order from the way they were taken. They can be rearranged one by one, but we're talking a total of 1000+ clips! You can only rearrange a small number at a time, in that little dialogue box.
My "workaround," for what it's worth, has been to insert 20-30 of them from their folder into the Library, right click, and select "Date" from the "Sort by" option at the bottom. That rearranges those 20 clips into correct order in the Library. Then I can again select them all and drag them into the Timeline. Talk about clunky!
But this is all crazy! We HAVE to get the video into the Timeline in order to edit etc. Why can't VS8 simply go get the clips out of their folder and put them into the Timeline in chronological order? Why would any other method be written into our program? And yet it has--or so it seems to me.
In the old forum I brought this up and received pointers from more skilled users, but I could never make these work for me. So I'm running it by the crowd again.
C'mon, tell me: What's an easier way to do this?
Keith
Captured clips listed in reverse order--whuh?
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rwindeyer
Can't really help with the specific issue; just a couple of comments and thoughts on how I do it.
If you just really want to load the whole video into the timeline as it was shot, then (a) it will be loaded in by default as part of the capturing process, or (b) you could choose not to split by scene. (but you probably know that)
For loading 20 or so clips at a time, I don't know of any better method than the one you are using.
In my last big similar project, I had 3 hours of tape; I found it useful to create a library folder for each tape (decreases the number of thumbnails you have to sort through in each folder). I personally wasn't worried about the sorting order; in making the movie of the holiday I put some things in out of order, because it made the movie work better. So each clip was evaluated, trimmed and loaded individually. Takes a long time I know.............
If you just really want to load the whole video into the timeline as it was shot, then (a) it will be loaded in by default as part of the capturing process, or (b) you could choose not to split by scene. (but you probably know that)
For loading 20 or so clips at a time, I don't know of any better method than the one you are using.
In my last big similar project, I had 3 hours of tape; I found it useful to create a library folder for each tape (decreases the number of thumbnails you have to sort through in each folder). I personally wasn't worried about the sorting order; in making the movie of the holiday I put some things in out of order, because it made the movie work better. So each clip was evaluated, trimmed and loaded individually. Takes a long time I know.............
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jchunter_2
Keith,
Here is what works for me. I don't know if it is easier but I think it produces better results.
My trip videos are a mixture of good video, acceptable but too long video, shakey video, and elegant pictures of the inside of the camera bag or the floor of the rental car.
I never turn VS loose to Split by Scene because it can't make judgments among the four categories and because it doesn't create separate video files that can be deleted if they are trash. Besides, as you point out, several Library bugs make it difficult to deal with keeping large numbers of clips in order.
Instead, I personally review the captured video and break it into files of the Good and the Acceptable, discarding the other categories immediately. I use Save Trimmed Video to create the files and these go right into the timeline. This retains 30 - 50% of the video and entire folder of captured video files is usually discarded.
Then I make another pass thru the project, shortening the too-long clips with the Multi-Trim Video control, which doesn't save file space but helps keep viewers interested. I usually integrate digital slides at this point, dropping full resolution jpegs directly into the timeline and add background music and/or voiceover.
I keep each project small: 5 - 15 minutes because it is easier to edit (the jog controls are less twitchy). I pull several project video files together when I'm ready to burn a DVD. All projects show in the top level DVD menu and each one has its own submenus.
Here is what works for me. I don't know if it is easier but I think it produces better results.
My trip videos are a mixture of good video, acceptable but too long video, shakey video, and elegant pictures of the inside of the camera bag or the floor of the rental car.
I never turn VS loose to Split by Scene because it can't make judgments among the four categories and because it doesn't create separate video files that can be deleted if they are trash. Besides, as you point out, several Library bugs make it difficult to deal with keeping large numbers of clips in order.
Instead, I personally review the captured video and break it into files of the Good and the Acceptable, discarding the other categories immediately. I use Save Trimmed Video to create the files and these go right into the timeline. This retains 30 - 50% of the video and entire folder of captured video files is usually discarded.
Then I make another pass thru the project, shortening the too-long clips with the Multi-Trim Video control, which doesn't save file space but helps keep viewers interested. I usually integrate digital slides at this point, dropping full resolution jpegs directly into the timeline and add background music and/or voiceover.
I keep each project small: 5 - 15 minutes because it is easier to edit (the jog controls are less twitchy). I pull several project video files together when I'm ready to burn a DVD. All projects show in the top level DVD menu and each one has its own submenus.
Thanks for taking the time, guys. Actually I'm glad to see I'm not simply forgetting some simple little setting.
Responding to both of you: I've gone the route without Split-by-Scene and yes, it's a different game that way. But I did NOT find the multi-trim method worked well then--probably because my enormous clip was ungainly. I should have made, say, six clips out of an hour video, and worked with those smaller chunks. As I write these words, it does seem like a really good idea!
Later.
Responding to both of you: I've gone the route without Split-by-Scene and yes, it's a different game that way. But I did NOT find the multi-trim method worked well then--probably because my enormous clip was ungainly. I should have made, say, six clips out of an hour video, and worked with those smaller chunks. As I write these words, it does seem like a really good idea!
Later.
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jchunter_2
Keith,
I encourage you to report the Library selection/ordering bugs to Tech support. We have to remind Ulead over and over about bugs in order to ever get them fixed.
Sometimes I wonder if we have not reminded Ulead enough times about the TUMHCOCV* bug. We developed the Recommended Procedure in order to bypass the bug - which may have had the unintended consequence of its not being fixed...
*Totally Unnecessary Multi Hour Conversion Of Compliant Videos (with stuff in the timeline).
I encourage you to report the Library selection/ordering bugs to Tech support. We have to remind Ulead over and over about bugs in order to ever get them fixed.
Sometimes I wonder if we have not reminded Ulead enough times about the TUMHCOCV* bug. We developed the Recommended Procedure in order to bypass the bug - which may have had the unintended consequence of its not being fixed...
*Totally Unnecessary Multi Hour Conversion Of Compliant Videos (with stuff in the timeline).
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Hrm I can't believe that someone from Ulead would not take the time to respond to this. It can be a very frustrating and annoying thing for many people who wish to do exactly what you described.
The good news is that there is a way to get you clips in order. At least, this is how I've managed to do it in VS7.
In order to get all your clips in the desired order you would first select "Insert Video" to bring up the "Open Video File" dialog window. Within this window you should browse to the directory where your clips are stored.
Then using the "View Menu" button (this is the button on the toolbar near the top of the window - if you hover your mouse over the button you'll get the tooltip text telling you that its the View Menu button) you need to select "Details".
Doing this will cause the clips listed in this window to be shown with their details. This details list will consist of the clips name, size , type, date modified etc... It shows this information in a long list, and at the top of the list is a title bar that shows the fields names (ie "name" , "size" ..etc )
By using your mouse and clicking on the header for one of the fields you can cause the entire list to be sorted on that field. For example when I click in the "Name" header in the list; the first time I click on it it will sort the entire list in ascending order of name. The next time I click on it it will sort the list in descending order. If I click on the "Date Modified" header, the first time I click on it it will sort the list in ascending order of date modified, the next time I click on it it will sort the list in descending order.
Anyway the objective here is to get the list sorted in the REVERSE order that you would like to see it put into your library. Once you have the list sorted in the reverse order that you want it - the press CTRL - A key. This will cause everything in your list to be highlighted. Then press the Open button and hopefully you should have all your clips inserted in the order that you want.
Hope this helps.
The good news is that there is a way to get you clips in order. At least, this is how I've managed to do it in VS7.
In order to get all your clips in the desired order you would first select "Insert Video" to bring up the "Open Video File" dialog window. Within this window you should browse to the directory where your clips are stored.
Then using the "View Menu" button (this is the button on the toolbar near the top of the window - if you hover your mouse over the button you'll get the tooltip text telling you that its the View Menu button) you need to select "Details".
Doing this will cause the clips listed in this window to be shown with their details. This details list will consist of the clips name, size , type, date modified etc... It shows this information in a long list, and at the top of the list is a title bar that shows the fields names (ie "name" , "size" ..etc )
By using your mouse and clicking on the header for one of the fields you can cause the entire list to be sorted on that field. For example when I click in the "Name" header in the list; the first time I click on it it will sort the entire list in ascending order of name. The next time I click on it it will sort the list in descending order. If I click on the "Date Modified" header, the first time I click on it it will sort the list in ascending order of date modified, the next time I click on it it will sort the list in descending order.
Anyway the objective here is to get the list sorted in the REVERSE order that you would like to see it put into your library. Once you have the list sorted in the reverse order that you want it - the press CTRL - A key. This will cause everything in your list to be highlighted. Then press the Open button and hopefully you should have all your clips inserted in the order that you want.
Hope this helps.