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Real cumbersome to simply render a video

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Hi everyone

This is my first post but I have an old problem.
It has been really cumbersome for me to simply render a video with both original audio and an overlayed audio track with good quality and small size.
My goal
VIDEO MP4 H.264 . compatible width browsers and iDevices.
The source can be different for each project
AUDIO . good enough quality. Can be MP3 96 KBs or ACC. Doesn´t matter.
The source is mostly MP3 128 KBs

Now for my first project the video source frame size is 1280x544 pixels with 23,976 frames/sec.
It took me a while to figure out how to render at these exact attributes. It cannot be done with Share - Create Video File - Custom - MPEG-4 Files (*.mp4). Frame size is at fixed standards.
I also must have 23.976 fps for the rendered video, otherwise the picture will not run smoothly.
The problem here is I cannot select H.264 and 23.976 fps with this MPEG-4 type.

After a few days I came to notice only Microsoft AVI files will accept my attributes of H.264 and 23.976 fps.
The video was crisp but then another problem arose..... :evil:
The audio for the original video have a slight cracking/popping sound. The video has a source of ACC 48.000kHz 16 Bit.
The overlayed audio with MP3 128 KBs was all fine and clear.

I have tried different audio formats - PCM, DV Audio, MPEG Layer-3 all, also with different bitrates - 48.000, 44.100, 24.000kHz.

This has turned out to be a huge dilemma for me.
The only quick fix (not so quick really) is to render it to FLV with desired Frame size and Frames/sec. Both Video and Audio are great, but the audio is limited to 22000kHz, and then use another program like Handbrake and re-render it to MP4.
OR
Create Sound File only and then merge it with with the video using another program like Handbrake.

So how do you guys do it?
I am sure not the only one doing this kind of video/audio editing
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Re: Real cumbersome to simply render a video

Post by lata »

Hi Forell

And welcome to the forums

First what version of video studio are you using? Your profile shows X4 is that correct?

Audio
MP3 audio using the Lame codec has caused problems in the past, we advise converting the MP3 to Wav
You mention audio cracking, is that on the original video files or after rendering.
Your computers audio driver, have you tried re-installing audio drivers?

Your video file seems to be using an unusual frame size? 1280 x 544.
Where did the video come from?
Can you right click a clip on the timeline and select properties, what are they?
You can take a screen shot of that panel, creating a Jpeg image to attach to your post.

Given the unusual video frame size and the efforts you have already tried, you may be best to use another video converter to create a more editable video file.

Format Factory is quite a good free converter.
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Re: Real cumbersome to simply render a video

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Hi,
Best way is to get all sounds into simple .wav
Or to use this WMV profile I made for U
put it in your VS folder under \Ulead.dat\WMV_Profiles
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Re: Real cumbersome to simply render a video

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Thanks for your replies

I wasn´t thinking of mentioning what version of videostudio I am using since I filled that in under my profile :P
Yes, it is correct - I am using Corel Videostudio Pro X4

I do not see the relevance what kind my soundcard is. The audio isn´t passing through the soundcard when the video is rendering. If I would ripping digitally an Audio CD then I could understand.
Otherwise - it is an integrated soundcard in the motherboard called SoundMax Integrated Digital HD.

Ok
I do not believe the fault lies in the MP3 file since I can remove this extra audio track and only render the video with its own audio and still have the cracking/popping sounds in the rendered video AVI / H.264.

The video is just a downloaded widescreen movie which has AAC Audio.
At first the video was an MKV file. But I had problems importing this in to Videostudio, couldn´t habdle the file format or something. So I converted it in Handbrake to an MP4 file H.264.... while thinking about that.... I will recode the video again but with MP3 this time. This will take a few hours so I will reply back tomorrow
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Re: Real cumbersome to simply render a video

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First thing I did this morning was to test the new video done with Handbrake. This time I selected the audio to be MP3.

So I almost fell of my chair..... there is no sound from the video when viewing the project. There is sound however when I select the clip... but not on the project and certainly not after rendering it.

Perhaps it was due the fact that I chose Mixdown to Stereo in Handbreak in the Audio tab.
So the second time I have selected None for Mixdown. Nope. Still no sound in project but the video do very much have audio.

*sighs*


Original file (Cannot import to Videostudio)

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Format                      : Matroska
Format version              : Version 1
File size                   : 849 MiB
Duration                    : 2h 5mn
Overall bit rate            : 949 Kbps
Movie name                  : Some video
Encoded date                : UTC 2011-03-10 09:32:10
Writing application         : mkvmerge v2.2.0 ('Turn It On Again') built on Mar  4 2008 13:20:25
Writing library             : libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1

Video
ID                          : 1
Format                      : AVC
Format/Info                 : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile              : High@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC      : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames   : 8 frames
Codec ID                    : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration                    : 2h 5mn
Nominal bit rate            : 910 Kbps
Width                       : 1 280 pixels
Height                      : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio        : 16:9
Frame rate mode             : Constant
Frame rate                  : 23.976 fps
Color space                 : YUV
Chroma subsampling          : 4:2:0
Bit depth                   : 8 bits
Scan type                   : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)          : 0.041
Title                       : Some video
Writing library             : x264 core 112 r1867 22bfd31
Encoding settings           : cabac=1 / ref=8 / deblock=1:-1:-1 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=9 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=24 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=16 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=0 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=23 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=60 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=910 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Language                    : English
Default                     : Yes
Forced                      : No

Audio
ID                          : 2
Format                      : AAC
Format/Info                 : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile              : HE-AAC / LC
Codec ID                    : A_AAC
Duration                    : 2h 5mn
Channel(s)                  : 2 channels
Channel positions           : Front: L R
Sampling rate               : 48.0 KHz / 24.0 KHz
Compression mode            : Lossy
Title                       : Some video
Default                     : Yes
Forced                      : No

Text
ID                          : 3
Format                      : UTF-8
Codec ID                    : S_TEXT/UTF8
Codec ID/Info               : UTF-8 Plain Text
Title                       : Some video
Language                    : English
Default                     : No
Forced                      : No
After Handbrake with original audio AAC (This one has cracking/popping sound when rendering the project to AVI H264)

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Format                      : MPEG-4
Format profile              : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                    : mp42
File size                   : 1.30 GiB
Duration                    : 2h 5mn
Overall bit rate mode       : Variable
Overall bit rate            : 1 485 Kbps
Movie name                  : Some video
Encoded date                : UTC 2015-12-09 09:32:00
Tagged date                 : UTC 2015-12-09 12:07:19
Writing application         : HandBrake 0.9.9 2013052900

Video
ID                          : 1
Format                      : AVC
Format/Info                 : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile              : Main@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC      : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames   : 4 frames
Codec ID                    : avc1
Codec ID/Info               : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                    : 2h 5mn
Bit rate                    : 1 384 Kbps
Width                       : 1 280 pixels
Height                      : 544 pixels
Display aspect ratio        : 2.35:1
Frame rate mode             : Variable
Frame rate                  : 23.976 fps
Minimum frame rate          : 23.810 fps
Maximum frame rate          : 24.390 fps
Color space                 : YUV
Chroma subsampling          : 4:2:0
Bit depth                   : 8 bits
Scan type                   : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)          : 0.083
Stream size                 : 1.21 GiB (93%)
Writing library             : x264 core 130 r2273 b3065e6
Encoding settings           : cabac=1 / ref=1 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x1:0x111 / me=hex / subme=2 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=0 / 8x8dct=0 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=0 / threads=3 / lookahead_threads=1 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=1 / keyint=240 / keyint_min=24 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=10 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=20.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / vbv_maxrate=20000 / vbv_bufsize=25000 / crf_max=0.0 / nal_hrd=none / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Encoded date                : UTC 2015-12-09 09:32:00
Tagged date                 : UTC 2015-12-09 12:07:19
Color primaries             : BT.709
Transfer characteristics    : BT.709
Matrix coefficients         : BT.709
Color range                 : Limited

Audio
ID                          : 2
Format                      : AAC
Format/Info                 : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile              : LC
Codec ID                    : 40
Duration                    : 2h 5mn
Bit rate mode               : Variable
Bit rate                    : 96.0 Kbps
Maximum bit rate            : 151 Kbps
Channel(s)                  : 2 channels
Channel positions           : Front: L R
Sampling rate               : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode            : Lossy
Stream size                 : 85.8 MiB (6%)
Title                       : Stereo
Encoded date                : UTC 2015-12-09 09:32:00
Tagged date                 : UTC 2015-12-09 12:07:18
After Handbreak Mixdown to Stereo MP3 (No sound in project)

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Format                      : MPEG-4
Format profile              : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                    : mp42
File size                   : 592 MiB
Duration                    : 2h 5mn
Overall bit rate mode       : Variable
Overall bit rate            : 661 Kbps
Movie name                  : Some video
Encoded date                : UTC 2015-12-10 20:34:26
Tagged date                 : UTC 2015-12-10 22:07:24
Writing application         : HandBrake 0.9.9 2013052900

Video
ID                          : 1
Format                      : AVC
Format/Info                 : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile              : Main@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC      : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames   : 4 frames
Codec ID                    : avc1
Codec ID/Info               : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                    : 2h 5mn
Bit rate                    : 563 Kbps
Width                       : 720 pixels
Height                      : 304 pixels
Display aspect ratio        : 2.35:1
Frame rate mode             : Variable
Frame rate                  : 23.976 fps
Minimum frame rate          : 23.974 fps
Maximum frame rate          : 90 000.000 fps
Color space                 : YUV
Chroma subsampling          : 4:2:0
Bit depth                   : 8 bits
Scan type                   : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)          : 0.107
Stream size                 : 504 MiB (85%)
Writing library             : x264 core 130 r2273 b3065e6
Encoding settings           : cabac=1 / ref=1 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x1:0x111 / me=hex / subme=2 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=0 / 8x8dct=0 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=0 / threads=3 / lookahead_threads=1 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=1 / keyint=240 / keyint_min=24 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=10 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=20.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / vbv_maxrate=20000 / vbv_bufsize=25000 / crf_max=0.0 / nal_hrd=none / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Encoded date                : UTC 2015-12-10 20:34:26
Tagged date                 : UTC 2015-12-10 22:07:24
Color primaries             : BT.709
Transfer characteristics    : BT.709
Matrix coefficients         : BT.709
Color range                 : Limited

Audio
ID                          : 2
Format                      : MPEG Audio
Format version              : Version 1
Format profile              : Layer 3
Mode                        : Joint stereo
Mode extension              : MS Stereo
Codec ID                    : 69
Duration                    : 2h 5mn
Bit rate mode               : Variable
Bit rate                    : 93.1 Kbps
Maximum bit rate            : 113 Kbps
Channel(s)                  : 2 channels
Sampling rate               : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode            : Lossy
Stream size                 : 83.4 MiB (14%)
Title                       : Stereo
Writing library             : LAME3.98
Encoded date                : UTC 2015-12-10 20:34:26
Tagged date                 : UTC 2015-12-10 22:07:23
After Handbrake Mixdown None to MP3 44.100KHz (Also no sound in project)

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Format                      : MPEG-4
Format profile              : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                    : mp42
File size                   : 607 MiB
Duration                    : 2h 5mn
Overall bit rate mode       : Variable
Overall bit rate            : 678 Kbps
Movie name                  : Some video
Encoded date                : UTC 2015-12-11 09:48:49
Tagged date                 : UTC 2015-12-11 11:27:42
Writing application         : HandBrake 0.9.9 2013052900

Video
ID                          : 1
Format                      : AVC
Format/Info                 : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile              : Main@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC      : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames   : 4 frames
Codec ID                    : avc1
Codec ID/Info               : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                    : 2h 5mn
Bit rate                    : 553 Kbps
Width                       : 704 pixels
Height                      : 304 pixels
Display aspect ratio        : 2.35:1
Frame rate mode             : Variable
Frame rate                  : 23.976 fps
Minimum frame rate          : 23.974 fps
Maximum frame rate          : 23.981 fps
Color space                 : YUV
Chroma subsampling          : 4:2:0
Bit depth                   : 8 bits
Scan type                   : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)          : 0.108
Stream size                 : 495 MiB (82%)
Writing library             : x264 core 130 r2273 b3065e6
Encoding settings           : cabac=1 / ref=1 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x1:0x111 / me=hex / subme=2 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=0 / 8x8dct=0 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=0 / threads=3 / lookahead_threads=1 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=1 / keyint=240 / keyint_min=24 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=10 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=20.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / vbv_maxrate=20000 / vbv_bufsize=25000 / crf_max=0.0 / nal_hrd=none / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Encoded date                : UTC 2015-12-11 09:48:49
Tagged date                 : UTC 2015-12-11 11:27:42
Color primaries             : BT.709
Transfer characteristics    : BT.709
Matrix coefficients         : BT.709
Color range                 : Limited

Audio
ID                          : 2
Format                      : MPEG Audio
Format version              : Version 1
Format profile              : Layer 3
Codec ID                    : 69
Duration                    : 2h 5mn
Bit rate mode               : Variable
Bit rate                    : 119 Kbps
Maximum bit rate            : 142 Kbps
Channel(s)                  : 2 channels
Sampling rate               : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode            : Lossy
Stream size                 : 107 MiB (18%)
Title                       : Stereo
Writing library             : LAME3.98
Encoded date                : UTC 2015-12-11 09:48:49
Tagged date                 : UTC 2015-12-11 11:27:41
I will find another source. This is rediculous....
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Re: Real cumbersome to simply render a video

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I don't understand why you keep transcoding to mp3? get your original sound to wav and keep it till the final render.
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I can only agree with asik. As lata said above, Video Studio has great difficulty with mp3 audio produced by the LAME codec, yet this is precisely the codec used by Handbrake. So I am not surprised you are not getting audio.

As for the MKV format, VS only received the ability to edit it in X8.5...
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Strange. I thought I posted a reply. Wonder where it went.

Well. The original video source was mkv and VS 4 doesn't support it. Now I have another video source where the audio is MP3. I guess it doesn't matter since I get cracking/popping sounds anyways when saving as AVI.

Are you suggestion I demux the audio from the video file and convert it to WAV?

Although it seems to be all good now. Discovered I can save to QuickTime with both uncompressed audio and video. But most importantly I can define own frame size and select 23.976fps.
Then I just run it through Handbrake. Both audio from video source and the overlayed audio track is clear and sounding fine.

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Compressing the video in QuickTime mov type is not ultimate and an uncompressed video and audio of almost 2 minutes can reach over 1GB.
I really like the interface of Videostudio but as I said... very cumbersome.
Cannot freely define frame size with 23.976 fps AND compress the video to a good looking h.264 with clear AAC audio. Can this be done with the latest videostudio?
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Re: Real cumbersome to simply render a video

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Hi

X4, Make Movie Templates Manager will allow for a few profiles using 1208 x 544 x 23.9
Microsoft AVI files
24 bits, 1280 x 544, 23.976 fps
Frame-based
MJPEG Compressor
PCM, 44.100 kHz, 16 Bit, Stereo

FLASH Files
24 bits, 1280 x 544, 23.976 fps
Frame-based
22.050 KHz, 16 bits, Stereo

QuickTime Movie Files
24 bits, 1280 x 544, 23.976 fps
Frame-based
MPEG 4 Visual (more codecs available)
50% Quality, 24 Key Frame Rate
None, 8.000 KHz, 8 bits, Mono

Windows Media Video
24 bits, 1280 x 544, 24 fps
Frame-based
44.100 KHz, 16 bits, Stereo
I was able to create this within Video Studio x4, later versions disabled the option to make a new WMV profile.

I don’t know if these profiles are suitable, they may need tweaking to increase the quality, which of course will increase the file size.
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