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PSPx7 save question

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I think I've asked this question before but the issue is bugging me so I'll ask once again to try and find an answer.

I'm using PSPx7 on a 8gig i5 laptop. Saving a 200meg tiff takes about 15 seconds. The same file, using PSPx7, on an old 4gig i3 laptop takes about 3 seconds. On the i5 laptop other programs, such as NX-D and Photomatix take about 3 seconds to save the same file. So the only issue is PSPx7. Not the computer as other programs and computers are fine.
So my question is - does anyone have any clues as to why PSPx7 is taking so long to save a file when compared to other laptops and programs.
When I'm doing multiple files, often over 500 meg, it chews up a lot of my time. And while PSPx7 is saving no other actions can be taken.

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brucet wrote:I think I've asked this question before but the issue is bugging me so I'll ask once again to try and find an answer.

I'm using PSPx7 on a 8gig i5 laptop. Saving a 200meg tiff takes about 15 seconds. The same file, using PSPx7, on an old 4gig i3 laptop takes about 3 seconds. On the i5 laptop other programs, such as NX-D and Photomatix take about 3 seconds to save the same file. So the only issue is PSPx7. Not the computer as other programs and computers are fine.
So my question is - does anyone have any clues as to why PSPx7 is taking so long to save a file when compared to other laptops and programs.
When I'm doing multiple files, often over 500 meg, it chews up a lot of my time. And while PSPx7 is saving no other actions can be taken.

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If it works as the other programs work on your 4gig i3 then the issue is likely a system specific issue with your 8gig i5. If you have the same OS on both then the issue is narrowed slightly to things like the number and type of programs and various processes that could be running in the background, including anti-virus software and the settings you have for them.
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The problem is that I have the same combination of programs on both computers. The only difference being one is an 8gig i5 Win 8.1 while the other is a 4gig i3 Win 7. NX-D and Photomatix save at the same speed on both computers. PSPx7 also saves just fine on the i3 computer. The only program that has the issue is PSPx7 on the Win 8.1 i5.
If it was a system problems then wouldn't it also affect NX-D and Photomatix on the i5?

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brucet wrote:If it was a system problems then wouldn't it also affect NX-D and Photomatix on the i5?
Not necessarily at all. The install files and registry entries for PSP (and various iterations of PSP) are entirely different from those of other programs and to a good extent different from each other. And you are talking about two different computers. Even two computers of the same make and model with identical programs installed are not entirely identical in terms of software configuration and interaction among all software and registry entries. Even every time you boot your computer and do nothing else there are some changes (minor but there) made to system files and diagnostics, things that get changed by your anti-virus recognizing a new reboot, etc., so after reboot your system on that one computer is not configured exactly as it was after your prior session. That is one reason people sometimes discover some anomaly with a program that has previously worked for months and suddenly isn't acting as expected. It is something that makes diagnosing system specific issues so difficult. Sorry 'bout that, but that's computer reality. :-(
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OK another issue that has me puzzled. When I save a 200meg tiff in PSPx7 it takes about 15 seconds. However if I convert that file to a PSPImage file and add several layers it actually save in about 8-9 seconds!

So maybe it's how PSPx7 is handling the tiffs.

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brucet wrote:OK another issue that has me puzzled. When I save a 200meg tiff in PSPx7 it takes about 15 seconds. However if I convert that file to a PSPImage file and add several layers it actually save in about 8-9 seconds!

So maybe it's how PSPx7 is handling the tiffs.

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If that was the case then you would have the same issue on the i3 computer using that tiff file and PSP. As things now stand it appears to be that one computer and that one copy of PSP that are combining to have the issue.
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Did some tests. First trying to find the size of image that would save as a 200 MB Tif .
Best I could get was a 15000 x 20000 pixel image which saved as a 178 Mb Tif file.

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on XP with PSPX7 saved in 1 min 50 sec (Core I5 2.67 Ghz , 2.99 Gb RAM)

on Win 7 with PSP X7 saved in 47 sec (Core I7 2.40 Ghz, 6 Gb RAM )

on Win 7 with PS CC saved in 10 sec.
So it does seem that Photoshop has a faster method of saving tif files.

on Win 7 with PSP X8 saved in 46 sec.
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Gosh. And I think my 15 seconds is slow!

My 'standard' unaltered tiff file is 6000*4000 at 300ppi. Shows as 141meg on the disk and in ram. It doesn't take much to boost that up. (Files are out of a D7100 as 14bit NEFs).

I've had time to do a bit of 'playing'. If I turn the computer on and only open PSPx7, open a 140meg tiff, do one action, USM, and a save it takes 11 seconds to save. The file grows to 163meg on the disk and 140631 in ram!
Now if I do exactly the same on my old i3 machine I get a save in 5 seconds!

The thing is that NX-D and Photomatix on both computers can save that same file in 2-4 seconds.

I'm just curious as to why PSPx7 on a faster computer is slowing down. Win 7 on the old computer and Win 8.1 on the newer one. So maybe it's just a conflict somewhere between PSPx7 and Win 8.1.

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Re: PSPx7 save question

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I suspect that PSP is not set up to use the extra cores from your i5. I think the theory goes that if you have extra processing cores and the program can use them then it will speed up the processing, but if it only uses the same or less cores as the other machine then time can be the same or worse. Perhaps someone with a better understanding of multi-core processors can explain it a bit better.
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