Chapter points and disk menu

[Peem]

Since I was going to produce a video I have completed as a DVD I thought I would add some chapter points, which I did in the editing phase rather than in the share> create disc menu. Using the chapter point manager I renamed them all and then went to SHARE and ticked 'create menu' but left unticked 'use first clip'. I expected them all to come up as individual clips and chapter names to appear in the graphic but all I get is a single clip in the bottom window and no chapter names above.

Should chapters set in the edit mode transfer into the share mode or are they only effective if I make them in the share mode?

Regards, Peter

[canuck]

Chapter points inserted in the Edit mode are carried over to the Share mode but unfortunately the Chapter names are lost. That is why I seldom set chapter points in the Edit mode but usually do it in the Share mode where you can rename the chapters. But you can rename the chapters (That you set in the Edit mode) once you are in the Share mode.

Assume you set some chapter points in the Edit mode and have now proceeded to the Share mode and you are trying to create a standard DVD with a chapter menu
After Selecting DVD in the Share mode, a window shows up but it does not show the chapter points. If you then click Add/Edit Chapters a new window opens showing you the "chapter clips". You can edit the chapter points location in that window. When you close that window and return to the previous window, you should make sure that the Create Menu button is checked and then press Next.
The next window that opens shows the Main menu page and by double-clicking the texts of the selected menu you can change that text.
IF you then select the submenu in the Currently Displayed Menu drop down box, the chapter menu should appear. Again by double-clicking the text you can then change it.

[lata]

Hi Peter / canuck

As far as I know Corel have fixed the problems using chapter points for X7 and X8, I would have to double check X7.

Peter what version of video studio are you using?

From the first window Create Menu is ticked by default.
Choose Add/Edit Chapter points, you should see the chapters created in the timeline.
Depending on your version the names may be retained.
If you don’t see the chapters, choose Auto Add Chapters – Insert Scenes as chapters?

Unfortunately I cannot check this using X8 as surprisingly it crashes when I do Create Disc.
I have 32 bit version installed on Windows 10, very shortly to be binned with W7 re-installed.

Oh The single title menu is of little use if you create chapter points, as selecting the Title will only take you to the Chapter points menu.
You can hide the Main Menu via Advanced, then when you play the disc it will show the Chapter Menu first.

Post Updated
I now seem to have my pc working again???????????

Hi

Yes CVSX7 does retain the chapter names created in the edit timelines, Settings Chapter Points Manager.
Share Create Disc – Add / Edit Chapter points should display in the timeline. Then OK

Next…………..
The names will show on the preview screen when viewing the Chapter Menu, it does not show on the timeline clips. Select The Currently Displayed Menu………… below preview screen
Tip from the timeline Chapter Points Manager, create a point at 00:00:00:00 and give it a suitable name. the first frame always has a chapter point.

Hide Title Menu, just to confirm that is under the Edit Tab -- Advanced option, can only be hidden for a single title.

[Peem]

Thank you both, some great advice there that cannot be found in the manual.

I am running VSX8.1. I am presently getting update offers from Corel so I guess they want me to make it 8.5 but I am holding out until I get this project sorted.
Trevor, as an aside, you mention you are likely to change back from Windows 10. W 10 is sitting on my computer, waiting to be installed but I have been holding off. I would be interested in any comments you might make.

So far as the chapter menu problem - part of my problem may be that I opened an old project, renamed and saved it, then added to it in my new project, including adding chapter points. Now, even when working in this new project, when I go to share > DVD the clip it loads in the lower window of the three stage burning box has the title of the original project. When, in the second window of the burning box I click on the ‘currently displayed menu’ it lists three options - main menu, main menu: note menu and SA Rally Mike[which is the name of the clip it always loads].

All I want is to produce a single page menu listing the various chapters on one page. I would have expected that in window 1, since I have included 6 chapter points in the editing stage I would have seven clips showing in the lower window but, as I say, only the originally named clip appears although it is now the modified version that I saved as a differently named project. If I select ‘main menu: note menu’ the top window does include the names of the chapter points. Canuk I guess this is what you refer to as a sub-menu - is there any way to have only the main menu? Sorry for making is sound so complicated but all I want to do is be able to select days 1 to 7 individually without having to watch the whole movie.

Somehow, I think I have to go back a few steps and not undo the editing I have done. Trevor, I think your tip about creating a point at the start may be part of the solution. It may take me a day or 2 before I am able to play with this some more but I will give an update when I do. Why is it hiccups always happen when you are busiest?

Regards,Peter

[lata]

Peter

I would advise that you will be best in creating / rendering your project into 7 separate videos, one for each day. Then using a Main menu aka Title menu, no chapters.
Name each video with a suitable name and that name would be use in the menu, so no need to add title names.

You said
“all I want to do is be able to select days 1 to 7 individually without having to watch the whole movie.”

You can only do that by using individual titles, separate video files

A little explanation……………

From the Project Settings Cogwheel lower left I see the Navigation Controls in the lower panel.
These allow me to select the way the discs Titles reacts to being played, it does not affect Chapters.
Choosing “Back to Menu” will allow me to say play "day 4", return to menu to play any other day, then return to menu….
Choosing “Continue to play next clip”, will play the selected day to the end of the disc, so selecting day 4 will also play Day 5/6 and 7, then back to menu.
If you were to use Chapter points then “Continue to play next clip” will always apply.
In each case we can play all from beginning to end if we wished.

Ok
I assume your project consists of 7 days, each segment being separated by an ending followed by start of the next day.
You can use the Project Preview Range to render parts of your project to a new video file.
Do that for each day will give you 7 video files each having a unique name, start with a number will keep the 7 videos in order. Example “01 Day_4”

Start a new project Share create Disc --Add the 7 video files from the burner module.
……………………………………………………………………………………
If you do not fully understand the Preview Range then we can explain.
For both Main Menu and Chapter Menu options you should modify the menu page to use 8 links, then all videos will fit to one page
Have a think about which option you wish to use, but I would choose the Titles.
Either way we can explain in more detail.

Why is it hiccups always happen when you are busiest?
That’s Life………. Slowly, Slowly catch the monkey………………….

[Peem]

I thought I should provide a bit of an update to tidy up this thread.

Trevor, I ended up sticking with the 55 minute video as one unit but once you had pointed out that I needed a chapter point at frame 1 things made a little more sense and I finished up with a chapter menu close to what I had hoped for. I am in outback Queensland at present so DVDs are not readily to hand but the iso file works okay on the computer. Will try your suggestion of assembling separate clips at the share stage on another project.
I have to say the whole chapter menu process must be the clunkiest part of the VS program. Why can’t Corel produce some sensible instructions for the more involved parts of the chapter menu process [rhetorical]. Their video gives an idea of the basics but that is all and their PDF manual is woefully inadequate on chapters.
I am still not sure why what I produced works the way it does. At one stage I had four alternatives available when I clicked the down arrow next to ‘currently displayed menu’ on window 2. I managed to reduce this to two - main menu and the title of the only clip. The only option I could find to accommodate eight chapters on one page were two of the thumbnail variety, and snow-covered Christmas trees were totally inappropriate so I went with the less inappropriate sprawling city. Wouldn’t it be nice to be able to substitute your own image for the background?

Canuk, I am unsure what you mean by
‘Oh The single title menu is of little use if you create chapter points, as selecting the Title will only take you to the Chapter points menu.
You can hide the Main Menu via Advanced, then when you play the disc it will show the Chapter Menu first.’
Clicking on advanced settings in window 2 of the title menu produces three options I am able to tick or un-tick add title menu, create chapter menu or show thumbnail number. I think what you are suggesting maybe something I was trying to achieve.
Thanks to all for your suggestions, Peter.

For VSX9?
Chapter menu instructions beyond the basic with a little more explanation of how and why things should work including the interrelation of chapter markers installed in the editing mode and those in the share mode and naming them.
The ability to substitute more appropriate images behind the menu page.

[bardsleyh]

[Aside] - Trevor, like Peter I also have Windows 10 waiting to be installed - the fact you are intending to regress are you aware of issues that affect VideoStudio or is it just you don't like it compared to W7?

[bardsleyh]

OK, no worries, I've now seen the threads on Windows 10 compatibility thank you. Glad I read it.

[Terfyn]

I have 32 bit version installed on Windows 10, very shortly to be binned with W7 re-installed.

Trevor,
This is the first negative response I have seen. I have been waiting for W10 to settle down while they iron out the rubbish bits but if it causes problems with VS - please let us know your concerns.

[lata]

Hi Guys

Just to clarify my problems with Windows 10 was associated with the installation of a new SSD this caused freezes of the operating system.
Yes I did return to Windows 7 to have the same problems.

To cut a long story … I sorted / fixed the problems associated with SSD, Windows 7 working ok for the past 10 days.

Yesterday I upgraded to Windows 10, everything seems ok.

Things on my pc are faster but that’s probably the SSD rather than W10, although I will never know.

[bardsleyh]

OK Trevor thanks for the clarification

[lata]

Hi Peter

Title / Chapter menus

1 / if you have say links on the menu the default template may only use 2 links, that would need 4 pages of menu.
That is the reason for the multiple pages in Currently Displayed menu.
Edit the first menu to use more links upto 8 available and you would only require one menu page.
That is the same for Title and Chapter menus (aka submenu)

2 / yes you can have your own image and indeed video as your background.
Go to Edit Tab, there you can select audio or Image / video.

3 / as you have only one video at 55 minutes, that creates a main menu (aka title menu)
You then add chapter points.
The main menu is of little use and can be hidden via Advanced – deselect create main menu
Now when playing the disc the chapter menu will show first

Try it out using a short sample burn to Iso to play with VLC Media Player.

[Ken Berry]

Things on my pc are faster but that’s probably the SSD rather than W10, although I will never know.

Certainly the SSD should have speeded things up considerably. That's of course what they're designed to do. However, FWIW, Win 10 is definitely a good deal faster IMHO than Win 7 -- though I really can't see much difference when compared to Win 8.1. That at least has been my experience so far upgrading 8 computers to Win 10 -- three of them Win 8.1 and the rest Win 7.

[Peem]

Trevor,

Thanks for your thorough explanation, much clearer than anything in the Corel Manual. I have this funny attitude that programs should be tools rather than challenges, a sentiment not shared by programmers. So, possibly sometimes I don’t have the patience necessary to discover all the twists and turns in a program. I am flat-out finding enough time to edit the material I have.

I will also thank you here for your response to my PM, again in more detail than I would have expected. Since sending the PM a short string on the topic has appeared in this thread, going a long way towards answering my query.

Thanks again, regards, Peter