Comparision of Video Editing Software

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rejeesh

Post by rejeesh »

That comparison chart was really helpful.

Though, I was wondering:-

I have a panasonic vdr-m50pp (dvd-ram, VRO files) and I read in this forum about using ulead for vro files. Many other software I looked, can not really do that - they all say there is nothing to edit on the vro files (it is already a mpeg2 file - just rename it and import as mpeg2).

Well; I am kind of dumb. So I ask a dumb question:

If the camcorder can save this as a VRO file, and later read and edit it (within the camcorder) - a process they call "finalising the disc" - then it must be an "edit"-able format. The camcorder is capable of adding effects and all (fade in for example).

And this is what I read about VRO files:

VRO FILES:

DVD Video Recording Format streaming video file. An associated .IFO file contains the various scene and timing information. This is different form a .VOB file where that information is included in the file. Several manufacturers use .VRO/.IFO files. This is a new specification for real-time recording on DVD discs. The standard DVD specification supports only the playback function. DVD Video Recording Format has several additional functions for recording.

So my guess is that it is an "Editable" stuff - and not a 100% mpeg file - may be the video and audio instead is stored in mpeg fashion, but still it is keeping some information to make editing possible at a later time. Perhaps no one is aware of the format or something. Most of the software support and similar forums told me to use a converter first and then import it. some are even angry that I was asking the "wrong" question. The problem is they aren't really looking at VRO files. Regardless of whether you ask them "can you edit the VRO files", their answer is "convert to mpeg, and MPEG file is not supposed to be a "edit"-able format, so we don't support it!" - well in that case why even convert to mpeg?? :O

Perhaps the video editing software is so occupied with DV camcorders, they are not really paying attention to DVD camcorders. But it is nice, you don't need a cable running from camcorder to the pc, take the disc and put it in your laptop, and anywhere you can make a movie - I personally think it is of less hassle.

now the above background is for you guys not to yell at me. ;)

Question is, does ulead does read the VRO files properly (reading the associated IFO file and so forth). I don't want a "patch input" that is trying hard to edit a "something-that-i-really-can't-edit-but-will-try" format.

Also does ulead has any problems with xp-service pack 2, and/or Total Recorder? - some other video editing software(s) seems to have issues with these two?

Many Many Thanks In Advance,

:D
rwindeyer

Post by rwindeyer »

I have no experience with DVD camcorders (sorry) but I can tell you that my VS8 has no issues whatever with SP2.
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Post by kebrinton »

anniebrion, at one point you said Pinnacle would be good if it could create DVDs.

How can it not create DVDs? Isn't it more or less "their" equivalent of "our" Ulead VS8?

What did you mean?
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Post by anniebrion »

kebrinton wrote:anniebrion, at one point you said Pinnacle would be good if it could create DVDs.

How can it not create DVDs? Isn't it more or less "their" equivalent of "our" Ulead VS8?

What did you mean?
When ever I try to create a DVD I get an error about 6 hours into the process :evil:

Another problem I have found is that the maximum bit rates, in Pinnacle, are a bit low

CBR 8000 & VBR 7500

My DVD recorder uses 9800 VBR or CBR so the video has to be rerendered by Pinnacle, UVS8 works with rates including and above 9800 so does not need to rerender thus saves me hours per project.
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Post by phd »

Annie,

One thing you might want to check and confirm is that your MPEG is really being recorded at that rate. That just may be the info that is in the header.

Apparently a lot of DVB MPEGs have a rate listed as high as 15kbps when actually they are in the 3-6 range.
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Post by anniebrion »

phd wrote:Annie,

One thing you might want to check and confirm is that your MPEG is really being recorded at that rate. That just may be the info that is in the header.

Apparently a lot of DVB MPEGs have a rate listed as high as 15kbps when actually they are in the 3-6 range.
1. How can I check this?

2. How would I correct the header if it is wrong?

Thanks.
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Post by anniebrion »

I have used bitrate viewer and analysed a HQ recording from my DVD

Peak 9556 Avg 8984

The peak is quite close to the 9800 that Ulead shows.

I have tried changing the bitrate with DVD Patcher to 7500, Ulead shows as 7500 and the video plays OK, bitrate viewer is unchanged and shows the same values above.

What, if any, problems would I have if I was to create a DVD with this file, that has the altered header :?:
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Post by phd »

I'm not an expert on this part but here goes. DVD Patcher is used to fool a program that will read only the header info and reject a file based upon that. For example the DVB streams that have a header of 15K which is not compliant for DVD MPEG.

If the bitrate truly is high, your DVD player may not be able to keep up and the audio or video may jerk or stutter.
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Post by anniebrion »

Thanks for your help. I'll have a play a see what happens.
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Post by jchunter_2 »

Annie,
You wrote: "When ever I try to create a DVD I get an error about 6 hours into the process."

This is an indication that something is VERY wrong with your procedure because a DVD burn should not take more than 1/2 hour. IMHO, you are not following the Recommended Procedure for avoiding Video Studio problems.
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Post by anniebrion »

jchunter_2 wrote:Annie,
You wrote: "When ever I try to create a DVD I get an error about 6 hours into the process."

This is an indication that something is VERY wrong with your procedure because a DVD burn should not take more than 1/2 hour. IMHO, you are not following the Recommended Procedure for avoiding Video Studio problems.
Re-read the thread, the 6 hour problem is with Pinnacle studio not Ulead Video Studio!

It is the render before burn in Pinnacle that takes the 6 hours :cry: and it crashes just before the burn to disc stage.

I can render and burn with Ulead VS/PowerProducer in approx 1 hour :D
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Post by jchunter_2 »

Annie,
You should never render and burn at the same time with Video Studio. If you do, you are wandering through a minefield of potential bugs (metaphorically speaking, of course).
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Render and burn

Post by ggrussell »

jchunter - How silly! The program was designed to render and then burn. If it can't do that, then it needs to be fixed. I presently have Pinnacle Studio 9, Ulead Video Studio 8, ShowBiz 2, most of Roxio Easy Media Center 7 with Videowave and DVD Builder , and Adobe Premiere Elements 1 -- all installed on the same machine. I can edit, render and burn with no problems using any of them. IF ANY program was to show possible BUGS then I remove the program and don't use it. I don't do work-arounds or try fix something that's broke. I'm not a programmer. That's WHY I pay good money for a program that works.
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Post by jwarner »

Now, now - don't be too hard on Ulead!

After all, this is only Version 8 of the program! According to the copyright notice, Version 1 must have come out in 1992 so they've only had 13 years and 8 releases to get the bugs out! :roll: :roll: :roll:
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