Error with source file before burning in Moviefactory or VS

ac37174 · Post by **ac37174** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:13 pm

I was wondering if anyone has had a similar problem with Moviefactory 3 and VS 9 with an error upon burning a project where a prompt says "error with input file." I have verified that my project is below 4.7 G, the required space is less than available, and the mpeg file was just created through videostudio today, clocking in over an hour and a half. Could length be the reason for this error? I tried running Roxio DVD Builder AND Sonic myDVD and they both said the project was too long. It doesn't make sense because in Moviefactory 3 I was able to shorten the project to about 4.2 G. Could there be some other reason for the source file error? I've never had this problem with hour long projects...

jchunter · Post by **jchunter** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:39 pm

What are your Project Video file properties?
Did the Burn properties match the video file properties?
4.2 GB is marginal but should be doable.
However, if you added motion menus, VS could add a few hundred MB, just pushing you over the edge.
Have you tried the "shrink to fit" burn option?
John

ac37174 · Post by **ac37174** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:04 pm

jchunter wrote:What are your Project Video file properties?
Did the Burn properties match the video file properties?
4.2 GB is marginal but should be doable.
However, if you added motion menus, VS could add a few hundred MB, just pushing you over the edge.
Have you tried the "shrink to fit" burn option?
John

I set my original capture properties to 4000 vbr, upper field first... in VS, saved as mpeg, then launched Moviefactory 3, went to the gear settings and customized the compression settings again to 4000 vbr, 100% on the quality bar. Everything looked fine, including verification of req. vs available space on disc. The program starts converting the video then right in the middle the error occurs. This just started today, didn't have this problem when I digitized only an hour's worth of VHS to MPEG. This was only a test; I had no chapter motion menus or even chapters, just the mpeg file on one track.

Post by **Ken Berry** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:15 pm

Can we assume from the fact that one of the properties of your mpeg file was 'upper field first', that it was captured from an analogue source?

jchunter · Post by **jchunter** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:24 pm

I can't help you with Movie Factory because I never use it.
Why are you using it? You can burn from VS9 with no problems as long as the Burn properties are set correctly. Try it.

When you say it "Begins Converting Video" during the burn phase that is a red flag that tells me that your burn properties don't match those of the Video File. Check again. Are you drilling down to the detailed properties?
What about the audio properties? Do they match exactly?

If everything checks out, try VS9's "Fit & Burn" option.

John

BTW, one hour of video at 4Mbps, VBR should result in a much smaller video file, considering that my 1 hour videos at 8Mbps are under 4.2GB.

Post by **Ken Berry** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:29 pm

John -- not meaning to speak for ac37174, but I personally use a combination of VS 9 and MF4 (just as I did VS8/MF3) precisely because they are complementary programs. MF4, IMHO, offers far more sophisticated tools at the authoring end, particularly in the menu area, and it also constructs flawless slideshows - unlike the problems many people are still experiencing with the latter in VS 8/9. But I happily acknowledge that VS9 is a great program, and the burning module a significant advance on VS8.

jchunter · Post by **jchunter** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:51 pm

Ken,
I can see why you did that with VS8 because it was a great workaround for the OOS problem.

However, IMHO, using two programs always complicates debugging when something goes wrong - e.g., the OP's case.

New users are already faced with a lot of complexity in video editing and IMHO, should keep things as simple as possible until they understand how things work.
Cheers,
John

BTW, have you checked out VS9's motion menus?

Post by **Ken Berry** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 11:09 pm

Point taken.

I keep forgetting that this Board is mainly for newbies or recent newbies, though I confess I keep learning new things all the time!!

As for VS9's motion menus, yes I have seen and used them and they are good (though IMHO MF4's are still better!) But the main reason I continue to use the combination is that I just about always include slideshows in my home-made travel DVDs, and MF4 does this so simply and so well, with nary a hint of a problem -- whereas every week on this Board we have people with problems with slideshows in VS 8 or 9...

ac37174 · Post by **ac37174** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:51 am

Ken Berry wrote:Can we assume from the fact that one of the properties of your mpeg file was 'upper field first', that it was captured from an analogue source?

Yes, all analog, upper field first. And when I went to create the disc of the mpeg. I changed the settings to match my original capture settings. Upper Field First again.

Trevor Andrew · Post by **Trevor Andrew** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:13 am

It apears that VS 9 is rendering your Mpeg in the burner module.

If you have first created a video file to Mpeg 2, you should not have to re-render.
If you are rendering in the burner module your settings are incorrect.

Try This:-
From file / preferences tick 'Show messages when inserting first video'
Start a new project
Insert your mpeg video,
The info window should show
Click details to view
Click ok
DELETE the video file from the timeline

Go to Share 'Create disc'
Add video (using your Mpeg video)

Add menus etc

Try a burn, you should not see the message' this process will take some time to render--(somthing like that)

Trevor

Post by **Ken Berry** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:05 pm

AND make sure the "Do not convert compliant MPEG files" box is ticked in the little cogwheel icon in the bottom left of the burning module screen.

ac37174 · Post by **ac37174** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 4:54 pm

Ken Berry wrote:AND make sure the "Do not convert compliant MPEG files" box is ticked in the little cogwheel icon in the bottom left of the burning module screen.

Hi Ken,

Thanks for your suggestions. I have done everything you recommended, making sure my settings match, but noticed one thing that might be causing the project to render again... My mpeg's audio is 44100 HZ, and when I click the gear box to check the audio prefs the default is greyed out at 48000. Could this be the reason? Going to see what it will let me do now...

Thanks,
AC

ac37174 · Post by **ac37174** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 5:20 pm

Ken Berry wrote:AND make sure the "Do not convert compliant MPEG files" box is ticked in the little cogwheel icon in the bottom left of the burning module screen.

Ken,

The project is burning now. The only change I made in the settings that apparently made the difference is under the mpeg settings, I changed the defaut audio LPCM? to Mpeg audio... So far it's burning ok...

Thanks,
AC