Any hints of DVD WS 3?

drilldoc · Post by **drilldoc** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:40 pm

I'm kind of tired of the limitations of DVD WS 2.0. Is there any news a a newer version. Audition is looking pretty tempting.
Dave

GeorgeW · Post by **GeorgeW** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:45 pm

just out of curiosity, what are the limitations at the moment?

Chris0709 · Post by **Chris0709** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:00 pm

DVD Workshop 2.0 will not allow you to import a 24fps file and output it to DVD without rencoding it to 29.97 interlaced video. I want to do a 24fps progressive scan DVD. It will allow you to do this with a 24fps file if you are authoring in PAL, but not for NTSC. Very problematic as all professional DVDs that are progressive scan are done in 24fps frame rate (23.976). The DVD format supports this framerate in NTSC.

GeorgeW · Post by **GeorgeW** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:53 pm

when you imported a 23.976p video, did DWS2 actually re-encode the video

Was the option in the EDIT step under the VIDEO tab to "Convert to disc template" grayed out. or was it selectable

DVDDoug · Post by **DVDDoug** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:44 am

As far as I know, both NTSC and PAL are interlaced formats. NTSC is 29.97 FPS, and PAL is 25 PFS.

A progressive-scan DVD player has to de-interlace the MPEG frames to generate the progressive-scan output.

I suppose that there are ways to optimize the interlacing, so it can be properly de-interlaced... I dunno.

The only thing I'm hoping for in WS3 is 5.1 surround. If it doesn't have surround sound, I'll stick with WS2.

Devil · Post by **Devil** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:45 am

Anyway, AFAIAA, there is no WS3 on the horizon and I can say that reasonably confidently, because I haven't been asked to sign a WS3 NDA yet!!!! I think all the Pro products boys are busy with MSP8 for the moment.

Chris0709 · Post by **Chris0709** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:25 pm

The option was greyed out to 'convert to template' when importing a 24fps file NTSC file. The DVD format allows for 23.976 progressive scan video or 29.97 interlaced video for the NTSC format. Players do not do the deinterlacing, what they do is the pulldown needed to properly playback a 23.976 progressive scan DVD on an interlaced NTSC set, but on progressive digital sets it plays back progressive scan as stored on the disc giving a much better picture quality. DVDs allow for this format because film frame rates are 24fps non-interlaced. You can acutally store longer files per disc encoded at 23.976 progressive. It takes twice as many frames per file encoded at 29.97 interlaced which is actually 60 frames per second because each framed is doubled when interlacing, thus leading to a much bigger file size.

Chris0709 · Post by **Chris0709** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:35 pm

By the way, DVDWS should not even have an encoder built in at all. Most professional authors will already have the media in a compliant file ready to go when importing into the authoring software. For it to default to re-encode to a template is really annoying. You will have much better control and better quality media files if you encode into mpeg and 5.1 in whatever digital editor you are working in.

GeorgeW · Post by **GeorgeW** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:06 pm

hmmm, when I imported a 23.976p mpeg2 video into an NTSC project (as encoded with proper pulldown), it created the DVD Fine -- no re-encoding at all (the Convert to disc template was open, and I elected to NOT check that box). How did you encode your mpeg file

Chris0709 · Post by **Chris0709** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:39 pm

I have tried to encode a file with proper pulldown with MediaStudio Pro 7.0, but you get bad results. Non-smooth playback. You should be able to import an 23.976 file without pulldown applied and author it straight to DVD. A progressive scan DVD player will apply the pulldown on playback for interlaced sets, otherwise it plays back at that frame rate for progressive scan digital sets.

GeorgeW · Post by **GeorgeW** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:37 pm

I don't know why DWS wants to re-encode your mpeg2 -- mine didn't need re-encoding at all, it zipped through the DVD Build without re-encoding anything

However, I haven't burned it to disc (so don't know how smoothly it will play). But the fact that it didn't re-encode anything means something is different...

Devil · Post by **Devil** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:01 am

Chris0709 wrote:By the way, DVDWS should not even have an encoder built in at all. Most professional authors will already have the media in a compliant file ready to go when importing into the authoring software. For it to default to re-encode to a template is really annoying. You will have much better control and better quality media files if you encode into mpeg and 5.1 in whatever digital editor you are working in.

WS2 defaults NOT to re-encode if your input files are fully DVD-compliant. It defaults to re-encode only if they are not compliant.

Personally, I'm glad that WS2 contains encoding, because the MSP7 encoder was partially broken for PAL, up to SP3. Encoding in WS2 made life possible when I needed the broken features. I cannot think of any reason why incorporating an encoder would be negative, especially as you must encode your menus, sub-titles etc. Do I not suspect a little nit-picking?

Number9 · Post by **Number9** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:59 am

I think it would be nice, since Video Studio incorporates some basic DVD authoring tools, to incorporate some basic video editing tools into the next version of DVDWS.

The ability to merge two titles, edit sections out, do some onscreen captions etc would be really useful in my humble opinion!

James

-Raptor- · Post by **-Raptor-** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:22 am

just out of curiosity, what are the limitations at the moment?

There aren't big limitations.. but with some features DVDWS would be perfect

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1. Movie Branching -> Chapter (and not Title) Playlist.. So the user can choose to play a single chapter or play chapters in a different order (different version of the movie on the same disc like "The Matrix") This feature is available in other software like DVDLab Pro or Apple DVD Studio Pro (view this tutorial: http://www.digitalproducer.com/articles ... p?id=27294 )

2. Multiangle (now available in Sony DVD Architect 3)

3. 5.1 Encoding (and DTS support)

4. Menu transitions Wizard.. Yes.. you can add them manually.. but a wizard like this one in DVD Studio Pro......

5. Button Routing: Now you have to edit the ifo with software like Menuedit..

6. Better DVD-VR support.. Import Chapters as Chapters

and not as title.. Problem fixed in DVD Moviefactory 4 and Videostudio.. but non in DVD Workshop

I think that at least feature 5 and 6 could be easily added also in 2.XX Service pack..

Chris0709 · Post by **Chris0709** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 4:19 pm

My files are DVD compliant. An mpeg file encoded at 23.976fps (without pulldown applied) is a compliant DVD file. I am a professional video editor and I author DVDs for living, I know what I am talking about. This software cannot handle a native 23.976fps mpeg file. It wants to re-encode with the box greyed out as if it were not a compliant file. The only thing I can think that could be wrong is there is a bug in the software. DVDPro and DVDLab handle these files just fine. It is fine if the DVDWS software contains an encoder, but the default should never be set to re-encode.

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