Two bugs - pan & zoom and clip tags

[MikeA]

The first error has been around for various versions and I was hoping it was fixed when I upgraded to V7 recently (V8 so soon?). This concerns using pan and zoon on stills. Sometimes I make a new key frame before the end of the timeline. This can happen when I want a pan & zoom movement to stop before the end of the whole sequence for that image. I copy the settings for the last key frame (using right-click options) and paste it to the new key frame (ditto). And yes, the settings get copied. BUT, the new time line is not recomputed at that instant. What happens is that the original path is followed and then there is a jerk to the new setting. Instead there should be a new smooth path. I have found that I can force a re-compute by grabbing a corner of the pan and zoom rectangle and moving it in or out. I then manually reset the zoom to what I want. However, this should not have to be done. When a paste is done, the timeline pan and zoom course should be reset. Time to fix this small but irritating bug.

Second, is anyone else noticing that when one does a mouseover on the thumbnails in the video/stills/sounds library that one sets up, that sometimes the displayed information in the little ballons for the relevant clip/still/audio is not the correct information? Sometimes it is for a clip/still/audio thumbnail that is two thumbnails back, or one, or maybe the info doesn't come up at all. It's another small bug, but one that irritates.

Otherwise - a good product.

M

[MikeA]

Just saw that I posted the first problem (pan & zoom) in January 2014. Didn't mean to repeat it. But maybe since it has not yet been fixed, it's good I did!

M

[canuck]

Sorry I cannot duplicate either of your so-called bugs. I am using VS X7

[lata]

Hi Mike

Pan and Zoom

When you use this option I assume from the options panel and not the FX video pan & zoom

Does the problem happen every time, I assume you can replicate the effect.

Can you use one of the sample images, apply the P & Z
save the project as a vsp, zip the file and attach to your post, then we can see exactly whats happening?

[MikeA]

OK. A one still video is attached. Here is how I made it. I put the single still picture on the timeline. I did the pan and zoom in the options. I set the first keyframe to close to 100% and the last to 191%. I then doubleclicked on the pan and zoom timeline to create a keyframe in the middle of the duration approx. I then rightclicked on the last keyframe, did a copy of the settings, and then pasted them to the new middle keyframe. I then clicked OK, and then made the attached video. What should have happened is a gentle zoom from ~100% to 191% followed by no further changes for the rest of the duration. Instead you see the image jump.

(What is more weird about this is that I attempted to create a video clip that showed what I wanted to happen and what actually happened. First I created a shot without the middle keyframe. Then I copied it and did as above, to produce the jumpy one. And then to create what I really wanted, I copied the first still again and applied my own fix of the problem. However, I found that the problem fixed itself! But then it unfixed itself and the correct version was wrong now too! I promise I am not on drugs! This meant I was unable to produce a clip showing the three situations. However, if I just did the one still, the error remained, as is seen in the attached video. Bizarre!)

As for the picture tags - sometimes they are OK and sometimes not. Try varying the size of the thumbnails and see if the tags remain correct at different sizes. The next time it happens to me I will post a screen shot.

M

[MikeA]

I noted that the jump occurs in the last frame before the middle key frame. What happens is that the zoom pursues its original course - as it was before the new keyframe was added - and then, one frame before the new keyframe, it jumps to where it should be. This is instead of recomputing the new zoom, which now takes place in half the time than it did originally.

VSP file attached here.

M

[asik1]

I always play an FX before commit to the timeline, solves all problems

[lata]

Hi Mike

I don't have my pc available to test the vsp, but will try later.

I think you may have created a second keyframe below an existing one, easily done if using the mouse to select and double click to set s keyframe.

Use the navigation controls to move to next frame, and the "+" to add a keyframe, " - " to remove keyframes.

[lata]

Hi Mike

For some reason I cannot open that VSP, a message indicates the file being used, I have tried on two pc's.
at first I thought it was a 32bit issue? but still no go on my pc.

I don't understand why that should be??

Can you provide another file?

[canuck]

I have the same problem opening that VSP file - same message. There is an earlier thread about this same problem

A google search on "file vsp is already in use" revealsl that this has been an ongoing problem.

Here is a link http://forum.corel.com/EN/viewtopic.php ... 35&start=0

[lata]

Hi

Thanks canuck

The file is marked as Read Only, from the files properties deselect Read Only and I was able to use the VSP?

I don’t see a problem with that Pan and Zoom.

Canuck, the projects asks for a re-link, choose NO
Then drag an image from the library, press and hold CTRL key and drop the image over clip on timeline, that will replace the clip and not affect the settings.

[canuck]

After clearing the Read Only flag, the VSP loaded fine. After linking to a photo, I also did not see any problem (jumps) with the video.

Why would the Read Only flag be set unless Mike deliberately set it?

[MikeA]

Sorry about the read only tag. It was set like that when I sent the file. I didn't do it deliberately. No idea how it happened.

I loaded the VSP file into my VS7 program, and, guess what, no problem, just as reported by you kind people.

One suggested solution and my experience. 1) Clicking on the 'play' button does not resolve the issue for me.

Not sure about overlapping key frames solution. Not for me. I start with the basic two: initial and final, and I create just one new one half way between them (as I did for this example). Copying the attributes from the final keyframe to the new one certainly works, but the pan and zoom pattern from the beginning to the new keyframe is not modified as it should be. Rather, it progresses on its original course until 1 frame before the new key frame and then jumps to the appropriate pan and zoom setting for that key frame. (Actually, I need to refine this statement - the zoom works correctly but the pan doesn't get to the right place as specified on the new keyframe. On the penultimate frame before the new key frame the pan jumps to the new position.)

All this happens in the pan and zoom editing window. After that, it may be things fix themselves as the video is processed on the timeline. I don't know.

I've created another example where the pan is from the bottom left to top right, with a new keyframe added after 20% of the time is gone. I see a dramatic jump. Maybe you won't because it resolves itself when the video is first loaded. If so, I can only suggest you try it from scratch. This happened for VS6 for me and now VS7, maybe earlier.

M

[lata]

Hi Mike

No problems with the Read Only, just needed to get the brain in order.

Yes I have managed to replicate this problem.
Took a few goes before I managed, unfortunately I don’t know exactly how I did it.
Seems it depends on how I build the P&Z, what order the Keyframes are set.

Maybe Copy and paste to all, then reset the last keyframe may be the way?

The problem also shows when returning to the timeline, at least the first time, return to customise and the effect sets ok without changes?
I would have to do a few more tests to ID the reasons.

Maybe Copy and paste to all, then reset the last keyframe may be the way?

[MikeA]

This problem persists in Version 8. Pity that Corel doesn't fix reported problems.

As a reminder. Use the pan and zoom on a photo on the timeline. Ensure that the final key frame has a different zoom and location than the first. Then add a key frame between the first and last by double clicking on the pan and zoom timeline or use the + button (same result). Move the cursor across the time line and you will see that the picture jumps when it comes to the new key frame. Using 'play' does not fix it. The only way I found to fix it was to manually enlarge the zoom at that point and then reset it to the correct zoom value using the number box. Then the play became smooth.