Split By Scene-Digital 8

[hab]

Have tried to Split By Scene within VS7 on capture but can't get it to work when capturing Hi8 tapes through firewire from my Sony SONY DCR-TRV340 Digital8 Camcorder.
I can get Split By Scene to work after capture but this, on top of being an extra step, does not give me the split scenes in my folder, only within VS.
It also makes the split scenes hard to work with because they show in the edit window within the full scene, marked by the trim markers, & leaves very little space for trim marker adjustments

I have tried WinDv but for some reason it won't recognize my camcorder.
My ultimate goal is to have the scenes split upon capture directly into a folder.

Any ideas or advice?

[asik1]

Have you tried the good old movie maker?
Or this
http://www.exsate.com/products/videoexp ... hp#capture
it claims to give each scene a file.

[lata]

Hi hab
Win DV,
DV being Digital Video, only works for DV – Avi files from a Mini DV Camcorder, also Digital 8 as you have found out.

Video Studio will Split by Scene for DV-Avi and Mpeg video

I don’t see your problem in Split by Scene after capture, sure it uses virtual clips as though cut with the scissors, but the lengths of each would be the same if S by S could be used during capture.

You say “It also makes the split scenes hard to work with because they show in the edit window within the full scene”
I don’t understand that comment?

Drag the clips to the library?
Switch to Storyboard view?
Expand the timeline by zooming in?

Does the Digital 8 camcorder support Passthrough aka Throughput, if so connect the Hi 8-out to Digital 8-in then Digital 8 via firewire, Digital 8 will act as a AV / DV convertor.

[asik1]

Trevor, the DCR-TRV340 plays Hi8 and output that as DV stream

[BrianCee]

So why not use "DVsplit" thats what Ken uses

[lata]

Hi Brian

The Hi8 camcorder was analogue superseded by Digital 8 that was probably the first digital video type camera.
You need Digital Video to use Split by Scene.

At least that’s my understanding?

[BrianCee]

Trevor

asik said that the output from the camcorder is digital - then you said the Digital 8 output was digital - so hab has a digital feed which he is feeding into his computer by firewire - so what's the problem with using DVsplit

[hab]

My Sony DCR-TRV340 Digital8 Camcorder does have pass-through capability and I do plan to use this for my vhs & vhs-c collection.
However, I assumed by just capturing the Hi8 video via firewire from this camcorder I would be capturing as digital & therefore, split by scene would work. Am I wrong about that?

by BrianCee » Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:49 pm So why not use "DVsplit" thats what Ken uses What is DVSplit & who is Ken? Do you mean Split By Scene after capture? If so, I gave my reasons for not wanting to do that, but will as a last resort.

So;
- Am I capturing in digital from my Hi8 tapes through firewire?
- If so, why will Split By Scene not work?
- Any recommendations for other programs that will do this on capture? (anyone familiar with asik1's suggestion of movie maker or http://www.exsate.com/products/videoexp ... hp#capture)

And lata, split by scene afterwards doesn't give me those split scenes in a folder, which is what I prefer.
I use the viewing window to edit with the markers & find the "scissors" cuts hard to work with. When I drag the scene to the timeline, the whole video shows in the viewing window with the cuts in the right position.
So I could have 90 minutes showing, while trying to edit a 6 second scene (exagerating to get my point across).

[BrianCee]

DVsplit is a small free software programme which splits DV (hence it's name) AS YOU CAPTURE

Ken is Ken Berry who has helped you numerous times on this forum

[lata]

Hi

The video was recorded using an analogue camcorder Hi 8.
As far as I know you need a digital camera to set the timecode during recordings for split by scene to be used.
I may be wrong, if I am why does the capture not work using S by S

Capturing analogue needs re-coding / transcoding during capture that converts the analogue to digital.
Once captured you should be able to scan the captured file to split by scene.

Ken is using Digital Video containing a digital timecode so yes it will split by scene.

[BrianCee]

Sorry Trevor - where does hab say he is using an analogue camera - he says he is using a Digital 8 camera via firewire

Sure he started with Hi8 tapes but I cannot see how that should be any different than using the digital camera as 'pass through' - if pass through can add timecode surely playing the tape in the camera will - or are you saying that digital video from a digital camera is different to digital video from a DVtape camera.

[lata]

Hi hab

Editing split by scene clips whether done during capture or after capture look identical from the timeline view.
The only difference is one uses virtual clips the other has separate clips, individual files on the hard drive.

But viewing the timeline you cannot see any difference, all you see are individual thumbnails / clips.
They edit just the same, react to cuts, filters, transitions, effectively they are the same.

If you add your Split Scene video to the library it should show as individual scenes, now you can drag individual clips to the timeline.
Adding the video to the timeline will always open as Split by Scene, you can reset that tag on the files preferences, then the file will open in full.
I would have to look how to do that its been quite a while, but from memory from the browse window after selecting the file?

But I do now understand your preference for individual files on the hard drive.

You could try connecting the Hi8 to Digital 8 to first record the video to D8 tape.
Then try capturing from D8 as Split by Scene.

Hi Brian

Hab is using Hi8 tapes, those were recorded using an analogue camcorder.
For digital camcorders (DV-Avi) ( Digital each time you press the Record and Stop a scene is marked on the timecode, its these marks that are used to recover the scenes.
Hi8 camera was an analogue recorder no separate scenes are marked during recording.
Even though the tapes are used in a digital camera there are no actual scenes to split, its just one big scene.

I assume connecting the Digital 8 with Hi8 tapes shows the Split by Scene available and can be selected, however there is only one scene that is the total length of the tape, its analogue.
It may be that Split by Scene is not available, greyed out, in which case the program recognises the video stream as analogue, no scenes.

Once the video has been captured it has been converted to Digital form. Now Video Studio can scan the video for Scene Changes, not sure whether it recognise changing scenes. That does not matter as hab does not want to work that way.

I could be wrong but that’s the way I understand it.

[Ken Berry]

I just wanted to confirm Brian's understanding. I have a fairly extensive collection of *analogue* 8mm and Hi8 tapes. I bought a Sony DCR-TRV480E Digital 8 camcorder precisely for the purpose of converting and transferring those tapes to my computer as digital video in the DV format. The Sony, like hab's, will actually play 8mm and Hi8 analogue tapes, so in that sense it is not passthrough. You simply connect the camera to the computer with a firewire cable (though Sony calls it i-Link), and play the tapes. VS recognises the camera and captures the incoming video as digital and splits it by scene -- or at least it used to. WinDV does exactly the same thing, with both programs creating actual files as opposed to virtual ones, which is what happens when you split by scene *after* capture.

As a footnote, I have to add that I don't use a program called DVSplit, though there might be one out there. I use HDVSplit for my high definition HDV camera, which is a different kettle of fish...

EDIT: a quick Google search showed there is indeed at least one DVSplit tool out there -- https://ocroquette.wordpress.com/2009/0 ... imestamps/

[canuck]

The TRV340 is able to convert/play Hi8 analog video. Since the TRV340 outputs digital DV video, hab should be able to capture via Firewire. Since there are no time codes on the original analog video, the video will appear as one long video and cannot be split into scenes based on a timecode.

[hab]

I just wanted to confirm Brian's understanding. I have a fairly extensive collection of *analogue* 8mm and Hi8 tapes. I bought a Sony DCR-TRV480E Digital 8 camcorder precisely for the purpose of converting and transferring those tapes to my computer as digital video in the DV format. The Sony, like hab's, will actually play 8mm and Hi8 analogue tapes, so in that sense it is not passthrough. You simply connect the camera to the computer with a firewire cable (though Sony calls it i-Link), and play the tapes. VS recognises the camera and captures the incoming video as digital and splits it by scene -- or at least it used to. WinDV does exactly the same thing, with both programs creating actual files as opposed to virtual ones, which is what happens when you split by scene *after* capture.

As a footnote, I have to add that I don't use a program called DVSplit, though there might be one out there. I use HDVSplit for my high definition HDV camera, which is a different kettle of fish...

EDIT: a quick Google search showed there is indeed at least one DVSplit tool out there -- https://ocroquette.wordpress.com/2009/0 ... imestamps/

This hits the nail on the head, especially when you say "creating actual files as opposed to virtual ones". This is exactly what I want & it looks like I am trying to do exactly what you have done, just unsuccessfully so far.
Hi8 tapes captured via this Digital 8 camcorder through firewire does give me digital files it sounds like. VS won't split by scene on capture & I can't get WinDV to recognize the camcorder.
I now know where I stand. All I need now is a solution. Thanks Ken...Again!

When I split by scene after capture, I have to change the settings from "DV Recording Scan Time" to "Frame Content" and also adjust the sensitivity to high (100).
Any way to do this before capture?