NTSC in Australia

[mds70]

Hi Guys

First of all
New to this forum and what a wealth of information.

I did quite a bit of searching but I cant really fine what Im looking for so:

My question is not so much about VS but more about frame rates, NTSC and PAL in Australia
Although I do use VS

My issue

As you most likely have picked up already, I live in Australia PAL territory.
I have a gopro 3 silver that is used quite often set to PAL and my other main source for video is my Samsung galaxy s5
Not an ideal video camera but it seem that I shoot more video on the s5 than anything else. Mainly because I just happen to have it with me, and to be quite honest, the quality is quite good.

My issue is that the galaxy s5 only shoots in NTSC 30/60 fps

I can quite easily change the gopro setting to NTSC to match but my question is:

What affect will recording, editing and rendering in NTSC have for me in PAL territory Australia????

I haven't seen any real issues as yet but I haven't really done a tone of editing.
I was told that I may get some lighting flicker and the like due to the 50hz 60hz difference but don't really understand that too much.
Is it the lighting while recording or playing the final product.

I a bit baffled.

I wasn't going to ask another question but I will

As some may have done this before, I have already shot footage in PAL 25fps and NTSC 30fps
Is there a way to mix these into 1 project?

Any info will be very much appreciated

Cheers

[asik1]

You will not see much difference when you shoot outdoors. But you will see if you happen to shoot under fluorescent lights or any "non sunshine" light that is in the shot. I don't know S5 but it's "NTSC" could be actually variable speed and not true 30/60

[mds70]

Yer I did think that about the lighting.
I knew it was an issue back in the DV day but now with digital and HD, was hoping it wasn't as bad.
When I check the properties of my S5 footage it says

MP4
1920x1080 depending on what resolution I have set
And, 30 fps
NTSC.

I can change the resolution and fps between 30 fps & 60fps only

Cant change NTSC to PAL

Think I'll just have to do some tests
Was hoping to get some direction before I started testing

Cheers

Mick

[lata]

Hi Mike

Your program Video Studio has been installed using Pal, that sets the default templates to use 25 fps or 50P
The timeline is also set to use 25fps.

When you add a NTSC 30fps to the timeline the duration remains the same/correct even though it has more frames per second. 1 frame in 5 is dropped, your NTSC only displays 25fps.
Those lost frames may be noticeable when panning, a more static video not so noticeable.

Add a Pal to a NTSC timeline (30fps) duplicate frames are added, 1 frame in 5 is added to the pal video, again may be noticeable depending on the content of the video, panning etc.

Your best option would be to use your longest recordings Pal or Ntsc as your main video, altering the other. We can only render to one or the other.
That may mean creating a NTSC video

If you are using computer playback, no problems.
If burning a disc – your DVD players should play NTSC discs, you need to check that?

The question is what is the longest footage 25 fps or 30fps.

What version of Video Studio are you using?

[mds70]

Yer you are right.

All my default setting are in PAL 25 fps.
I need to play with the preferences and select NTSC or select "same as first clip"
The majority of my footage in this instance in 30 fps but for the future????
Well now I really don't know.

Are you saying that it will still drop 1 in 5 frames even if I set my preferences to NTSC 30 fps??

If that is the case I will forget my S5 camera all together and stick with the Gopro only

and I am currently using VSx6 ultimate

BTW Im getting more confused now haha

Cheers

[lata]

Yer you are right.
Are you saying that it will still drop 1 in 5 frames even if I set my preferences to NTSC 30 fps??
Cheers

Setting your project properties to use NTSC 29.97 fps (30) will display the ntsc as ok.

Adding a Pal at 25 will add 1 frame in 5 to that video
Duplicate frame to make up the difference between 30 fps to 25fps.

[mds70]

Phew

Had me worried for a second

OK so it will work out for what Im doing with it at the moment.

So setting my Gopro to 30 fps to match is not going to cause too much drama's with the 50hz thing????
Keep in mind that I don't intend on burning to DVD
Its mainly to upload to social media youtube etc

Cheers

Mick

[lata]

Hi Mike

When you mix Pal and Ntsc video clips, one of them will have frames added or removed, 1 in 5.
Whether you can see that in the final video ??????

So using the longest footage would minimise that effect.

A Pal video uses 25 fps, add that to a ntsc 30 fps timeline and frames are added (5) to fill the spaces.

You can see that, change the project properties to NTSC, add a Pal video, choose one with movement…
Nudge the digital click to move frame by frame, every 5th frame will be static, duplicated.

[mds70]

Yep

All good understand that bit now.
Ill go play around and see what happens
Thank you.

Im still not sure whether, in the future, I should match the settings on the S5 (30fps) or stick to 25 fps with the gopro only and ditch the S5 altogether

Hmmmmm...................

Something for me to think about

Cheers

Mick

[lata]

Hi Mike

Give it a try, change the Go Pro to use NTSC 30 fps, then you can add to Galaxy video with no frame rate issues. That would be for your next shoot……

You will have to manage your programs templates to use NTSC as all default templates will use 25 fps.

Not a problem using Settings Make Movie Templates Manager to create your own NTSC templates

Make sure the Project Properties use NTSC
Settings – Preferences – Show Messages should help, hopefully you use that option anyway.

In the meantime mix a few Pal and Ntcs videos to see how it goes.

[mds70]

Thanks Trevor

I will be sure to set it up properly.

Hmmmm make movie template

Ill have to research that too now lol

Thanks again

Your advise has been much appreciated

Cheers

[skier-hughes]

Something else to complicate matters, NTSC isn't as good quality as PAL

[SoNic67]

There is absolutely no issues with 60FPS (Hz) in a former "PAL" territory. HDTV doesn't really care anymore about that, PAL and NTSC are analog SD standards, deprecated mostly all over the world.
More FPS means a more fluid image on a modern HDTV. I would actually shoot all my personal videos at 60FPS if I had the choice.

As for lighting "flickering" - all the modern fluorescent or LED lamps have electronic ballasts, working at 20-30kHz. Incandescent bulbs are a dying breed, replaced by fluorescent or LED.

Something else to complicate matters, NTSC isn't as good quality as PAL

There is no "NTSC" or "PAL" when you are shooting HD videos. Manufacturers label countries per former standards, but actually there is nothing left there from those standards... unless you are working for the national broadcast company and you need some weird backwards compatibility for local market.

[mds70]

Well Guys

I did a few tests and I have decided to shoot all my footage on the gopro.
For some reason the quality after edit and render is sooo much better
All properties identical except for the fps.
I m thinking its possible because the S5 is after all...... a phone
And i don't feel the need to go out and purchase another camera
I found that I get more versatility shooting 1280 x 720 at 50 fps
Good quality for social media and the decent slow motion if I want it
I generally render down to 25 fps for social media a keep a copy at 50 fps for my viewing

Thanks for all of your input

I will definitely be keeping a close eye on this forum

Cheers

Mick