Rolling video text problem text outside screen etc.

[Hietanen]

Hi, I would like to make a text video with normal rolling text moving from bottom up that goes out of the screen on top with a continual roll for a long time but the problem is that Corel (and other video editors) don't accept pre-written text without it going outside the screen.

I'll try to embed an image to show what the problem is:



In fact, it seems I would have to reformat the whole text specifically for video editors just to be able to see the whole text without anything of it going outside the screen.

Is there some way to do this automatically with some program (that is, break up a text in very small sentences for it to work? I'll give an example that would work in video text editing in Corel/Ulead/Sony:

Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitium (# 9):
“There can be nothing more dangerous than those heretics who
admit nearly the whole cycle of doctrine, and yet by one word, as
with a drop of poison, infect the real and simple faith taught by our
Lord and handed down by Apostolic tradition.”

But to do this manually over many pages or even dozens of pages would take ridiculously long time.

I have never seen throughout the years using Ulead that there ever was possible to get a long line of text to fit in the screen and it always moved outside so one couldn't see most of it and hence I had to break up the text manually; and it seems that it is the the same in Corel X7 with a few tests that I made (Sony vegas pro 10 also has the same problem, and I would assume all versions of Sony and in fact all video editors on the market too?).

Does anyone know of any video edit program, or any program at all, that automatically makes a text fit a screen or know of any other solutions to the problems I am facing?


Another problem I have had with both ulead an corel is that too much text added in video text editor seem to lag the whole program. I could use 50+ pages of text in Sony and it didn't lag the program and all could be used fine and be saved in a film (although most text showed up outside the screen ), but in Corel X7 and Ulead 11 I couldn't even put a few sites of text before the program becoming completely unresponsive. Why does Corel video text take so much resources and why can't it process almost any text at all in comparison to Sony? Also, some special fonts also seems really laggy in Corel/Ulead when the inbuilt scroll for the fonts is used or the font used itself. I like Corel/Ulead because it is so easy to use and saves a file fast (which can't be said of Sony) but this is a great problem now when I want to make long films with text for people to read.

Any help would be much appreciated and much needed!

Thank you very much.

Regards,
Hietanen

ProphecyFilm.com

[BrianCee]

Is this what you want to do - - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CKsSM4CHT4

You can make the text very long - and if there is a lot of it you can copy the original and paste into VideoStudio

If the text becomes to long for one title then make a number of consecutive ones and put in the timeline one after another

Alternatively if the text is on a very long image put that in the timeline and use 'customise motion' to scroll it up

[Hietanen]

Yes BrianCee that was exactly what I wanted to do.

However, your reply didn't exactly answer my original problem.

You said one could "copy the original and paste into VideoStudio". That's exactly what I do. And it doesn't help. Perhaps if you try to copy a text or a paragraph with long sentences that certainly will not fit in Corel and go outside the screen (as happened for the person who typed in the youtube video you linked to), then you will understand exactly what my problem is. If you look at the above image I provided, you will see what happens when one pastes long texts with long paragraphs into VideoStudio -- almost all of it goes outside the screen!

Unless the text pasted is broken up into small sentences (as I showed in the example with the Pope Leo XIII quote in my first post) most of the text will go outside the screen on not be shown. And that is the problem, for it would take ridiculously long time to have to break up every single sentence before pasting it into VideoStudio (Ulead, Sony, Corel etc.) every time just in order to make it fit.

That is why I asked if anyone knows of any program that automatically breaks up a text in a desired format automatically, or if perhaps there is some option in Corel that automatically fits the text inside the screen when pasted or written by hand, or if perhaps there is some other program that can do this.

Also, on my not so good computer, 1.8 ghz dual core, 2gb ram, windows xp, I can not use very much text at all. If you have a good computer, try to copy a few pages of any desired text into Corel and see what happens. If that works, try to take perhaps 10 pages or more. If it works fine for you, than I'll know it's my computer. Otherwise it is the software, considering I could use 50+ pages on Sony Vegas Credit roll without the least problem.

Thank you very much.


Regards,
Hietanen

[BrianCee]

If the text goes off screen when you paste it then simply use the yellow boxes on the text block to pull the edges back in so that it fits on screen.

The size of the font will also affect how much you can get on screen in a lline

[Hietanen]

If the text goes off screen when you paste it then simply use the yellow boxes on the text block to pull the edges back in so that it fits on screen.

The size of the font will also affect how much you can get on screen in a lline

Thanks for the reply. But I don't think you understand my problem, or perhaps I am confused and missing something.

Perhaps if you would just paste a long paragraph into VideoStudio yourself and see what happens, then you'll see. Is is impossible to get a long sentence fit into the visible video screen without making it, as in my case with a very long sentence, size 3.

For example, using "times new roman", the following short paragraph can only fit inside the screen (on my resolution) if the size is 7:

Corel VideoStudio (formerly Ulead VideoStudio) is a video editing software package for Microsoft Windows distributed by Ulead Systems (a division of Corel). The latest version of the software is X8.

It would be great if one could have a text size of 20 or above, but if you select a larger size with the above paragraph pasted into VideoStudio you will see that all of the text goes outside the screen, no matter what you do. And that was just one paragraph. Think when pasting 50+ pages as in my case! Those yellow boxes (presuming I understood you correctly) didn't do anything at all to fix this problem and only works if the text is inside the screen, but then it only makes the text larger or smaller. It doesn't make a text already outside the screen to automatically fit the screen (as html or word does when one pasted a text into it, it is always visible and does not go outside the screen).

And, as I said, unless one breaks up the above paragraph as was done in the youtube video you linked to, it will never fit in videoStudio when pasting it.

So again, this is what I am having problem with, and what I am seeking to solve, as I have already explained in my previous posts of possible programs that either breaks up the text in small sentences automatically, or if perhaps others know of a program does doesn't have these problems (when pasting texts for video making).

[asik1]

I must admit Hietanen that you raised a very interesting problem.
Unfortunately it can't resolved currently in VS as it simply do not have MAX fonts per line limit (at least not in the hands of it's users)
I'm with you on that, it should be on the wishlist for X9
and it's not that difficult to implement in the code


Having said that, I'm googeling for solution.
One quick solution will be doing the scroll in MovieMaker, where it have Max Character Count limit (usually at 1024 but it can be hacked) making the video and than key/overlay it in VS.

[BrianCee]

Well as you say I obviously do not understand your problem - but before I leave you I did put that paragraph of yours into VideoStudio and even set the text size to 100 and produced the following

are you saying you want the whole sentence on one line - that's going to be impossible in anything - try it in Microsoft word and it will not fit unless it's very small

any way I'll leave it there.

click on the image to see it bigger

[Hietanen]

Hi asik1

Yes this is a problem I and others have had to deal with. It seems strange though that perhaps only Windows Movie Maker thought of it when this is such an important feature and a solution so simple. Perhaps such a feature would interfere with more important editing tools? Windows Movie Maker isn't the most advances program after all.

But I was glad to hear that windows movie maker have a solution. I will certainly look into it and the hack you mentioned. I forgot about windows movie maker but since it didn't allow much text it was quite useless anyway. But if it can be hacked that would solve the problem for now.

[Hietanen]

Hi BrianCee

I would like to know if you broke up the text in the screen shot manually by yourself, or if it become like that by itself after you copied the paragraph mentioned and pasted it into the VideoStudio.

I would like it to be exactly as in your screenshot, but without me having to break up the text, and when I make the text larger or smaller, it would still fit perfectly in the screen accordingly, just as it would in a word program. And that is my problem, that I have to break up the text in smaller sentences all the time when pasting into the program. It should happen automatically.

[asik1]

Hi asik1

Yes this is a problem I and others have had to deal with. It seems strange though that perhaps only Windows Movie Maker thought of it when this is such an important feature and a solution so simple. Perhaps such a feature would interfere with more important editing tools? Windows Movie Maker isn't the most advances program after all.

But I was glad to hear that windows movie maker have a solution. I will certainly look into it and the hack you mentioned. I forgot about windows movie maker but since it didn't allow much text it was quite useless anyway. But if it can be hacked that would solve the problem for now.

I can post here a hacked file. I understand you are using WMM 2.1?

[Hietanen]

I can post here a hacked file. I understand you are using WMM 2.1?

I am using Windows Movie Maker 5.1 (it also has another version number of 2.1.4028.0) for Windows XP. So I am not exactly sure what Windows operation system you are referring to? or if this is the same as the one you mentioned.

If you have XP, try using Windows Movie Maker for Windows 7. There there are no limit to how long the text can be that you can use (or perhaps there are but the whole article I intended to use I could paste into the program without much of a trouble except a little lag).

But if you have a solution for Windows XP (or other Windows versions) then yes, please provide me with a link or the information to have it fixed so I can able to add more text, which would be helpful since I don't have Windows 7 (or higher) my self at my working computer at present.

It is nice to know that my little problem has been solved with Windows Movie Maker for Windows 7 though

[asik1]

Check this file.
Place it in your XP's C:\Program Files\Movie Maker\Shared\AddOnTFX folder.
If you don't have one, make one.
When you will open WMM you will have 4 new scrolls
If WMM crashes upon pasting the text, you must set the font to a smaller size first and the text could be pasted.
Before rendering the WMV you can set the speed by adjusting the scroll length on the timeline. You will have to try and find the sweet spot where the text will scroll as smooth as needed.

[lata]

Hi

Interesting little exercise……..

Yes I believe Corel could improve the text editor by automatically doing a line break. However Corel need to be told about the problems, maybe they will add to a service pack. Contact Corel Support or Corel on Facebook.

I have just used Movie Maker to paste a long line of text, MM applied auto line break, setting the text on several lines.

I then copied and pasted the text to Video Studio and to my surprise retained the line breaks. The text displayed with the same format.

It did not work every time, sometimes pasting a single line.
But it did work, so now have to find out why? Give it a try…..

For what its worth I did some tests a while ago comparing MM to VS creating scrolling text, at that time Movie Maker created better crisper quality text.

[canuck]

I use several video programs since not every program (in our price range) can do everything. So for example Roxio Creator (a Corel company) can do scrolling, word wrapped text. I have attached a link to a short example. I chose a low quality to cut down on the file size. The sample does show that you can set fonts, colours, size etc for the text in the text box. There is a bit of fiffling to do when making adjustments but it does work
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B53NXC ... sp=sharing

[Hietanen]

Check this file.
Place it in your XP's C:\Program Files\Movie Maker\Shared\AddOnTFX folder.
If you don't have one, make one.
When you will open WMM you will have 4 new scrolls
If WMM crashes upon pasting the text, you must set the font to a smaller size first and the text could be pasted.
Before rendering the WMV you can set the speed by adjusting the scroll length on the timeline. You will have to try and find the sweet spot where the text will scroll as smooth as needed.

Thank you for help, but I can't get it to work. I can't use almost any text still, and the normal rolling text seems to have completely disappeared, if it ever existed? Only the Star Wars kind of rolling text is available that I can put a little more text into (don't know if that was the normal setting to begin with) and I can put more text there than in any other, but still, it is not even up to half a page.

In the normal rolling text that I would want to have can I only be put really small amounts of texts into, a small sentence at most. And there are a few boxes where I can put one small sentence in each, and that's it!

I don't know what I did wrong. I created the folder as you said, put the file there, and started the program. I went to "make a fore or after text" and then "put in the start of the film". But it didn't work. I even made the text really small, but it still didn't work. What have I missed?

It is good it works on Windows Movie Maker for Windows 7 though.