Trouble importing TIFF files...

[baldrick777]

Hi all,

I've just bought a copy of ASpro 2, however I'm having real probs trying how to import my previously created TIFF files. No probs with JPGs though.

Any suggestions would be more than greatly appreciated!

Baldrick

[Trucks]

Hi,

look into the specs: http://product.corel.com/help/AfterShot ... rmats.html Maybe it helps.

Regards

Trucks

[josephlin]

Hi, few suggestions for you here.

1. Try other TIFF file (export by ASP or other program) to confirm if it's only content dependence issue.
2. Make sure your ASP2 is up-to-date version (2.1.2.10) and try those TIFF file again.

If you still encounter the preview problem for TIFF file, please share some of them for checking if you don't mind. Thx.

[baldrick777]

Hi, few suggestions for you here.

1. Try other TIFF file (export by ASP or other program) to confirm if it's only content dependence issue.
2. Make sure your ASP2 is up-to-date version (2.1.2.10) and try those TIFF file again.

If you still encounter the preview problem for TIFF file, please share some of them for checking if you don't mind. Thx.

Thanks Joseph and Trucks...

I wonder whether my problem might lie with my tiffs having had alpha channels added to them? All the other TIFF criteria that Trucks pointed to in his link matched.

I really have only used Pixeluvo to convert cr2 images to tiff. Up until now, it's been the one that's done it best.

Here are two which hopefully will show you what I mean when launched in ASP2.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ai9i9f8odp3c ... V67Aa?dl=0

Thanks heaps for your help with this!

[afx]

Alpha channel files are not supported in AS. Just plain old RGB TIFFs.

cheers
afx

[baldrick777]

Alpha channel files are not supported in AS. Just plain old RGB TIFFs.

cheers
afx

Thanks AFX,

Do you know if there are any plans to incorporate this, or do I need to continue my search for another photo editor more suited to my needs?

Cheers.

[afx]

AS is a raw converter, not a pixel editor, expecting alpha support seems to be a bit a of a misplaced hope...
Usually AS is used at the beginning of the post processing pipeline, not the end. have a look at Krita if you need a pixel editor.

cheers
afx

[baldrick777]

AS is a raw converter, not a pixel editor, expecting alpha support seems to be a bit a of a misplaced hope...
Usually AS is used at the beginning of the post processing pipeline, not the end. have a look at Krita if you need a pixel editor.

cheers
afx

Thanks again AFX,

Perhaps I was a little misguided. I appreciate you setting me straight.

The whole reason I'm wanting to use ASP is because I need some way of applying my monitor calibration file. Having 16-bit TIFF is a definite bonus. I have been using Pixeluvo previously which I think is an excellent pixel editor. I would be happy using the two together, but I'm concerned that if I make any changes after the hand off from ASP to Pixeluvo, I'll loose my calibrated settings.

The whole thing revolves around my utter frustration with making my images print out the same as I see on screen, hence the reason for calibration. I'd be happy with 90% closeness between the two. I use a proper commercial photo lab, and have used retail photo labs too, but all return the same insipid results.

I don't even mind if I have to suffer from a degradation from 16bit (ASP) to 8bit (max possible for Pixeluvo).

I have 100's of TIFFs made in Pixeluvo that I was hoping to alter using the calibrated files in ASP, but I guess that's not going to be possible, eh?

This frustration is hightened because as a Linux user, there are ##### all decent alternatives, photography wise. I have NO desire to make the huge retrograde step back to Windows, though I may consider a Mac, as I understand most of these issues would pretty much dissappear.

There is NO WAY that I would EVER consider any Adobe product - their complete obstinence when it comes to porting to Linux is just shocking!

The other alternative I have is, ofcourse, to give up on photography altogether. An extreme move, but one that is being more seriously considered with everyday that passes without a solution.

Please help if you can,

Again, thanks for putting me right.

[afx]

The whole reason I'm wanting to use ASP is because I need some way of applying my monitor calibration file.

Maybe just a misunderstanding, but one never ever applies this to a file. It is only used by applications to display images properly.

Having 16-bit TIFF is a definite bonus. I have been using Pixeluvo previously which I think is an excellent pixel editor. I would be happy using the two together, but I'm concerned that if I make any changes after the hand off from ASP to Pixeluvo, I'll loose my calibrated settings.

Why would you? If Pixeluvo supports proper color management this is all trivial. If not, dump the program, it is junk.

The whole thing revolves around my utter frustration with making my images print out the same as I see on screen, hence the reason for calibration. I'd be happy with 90% closeness between the two. I use a proper commercial photo lab, and have used retail photo labs too, but all return the same insipid results.

Sounds like a color management issue

I don't even mind if I have to suffer from a degradation from 16bit (ASP) to 8bit (max possible for Pixeluvo).

Ok, it is junk. An imaging app that can't even deal with 16bit files is not worth touching at all.

I have 100's of TIFFs made in Pixeluvo that I was hoping to alter using the calibrated files in ASP, but I guess that's not going to be possible, eh?

Batch them through ImageMagick to get rid of the alpha channel. Any editing in AS will happen in ProPhoto/16bits, so there is no additional loss.

And why do you have switched on an alpha channel at all? Usually TIFFs do not come with alpha channels?

This frustration is hightened because as a Linux user, there are ##### all decent alternatives, photography wise. I have NO desire to make the huge retrograde step back to Windows, though I may consider a Mac, as I understand most of these issues would pretty much dissappear.

In Linux there is DispcalGUI+ArgyllCMS for calibration (and ArgyllCMS easily matches the industry heavyweights).
Then there is Krita for image editing, just like Photoshop it is a drawing program that can be used to manipulate images in myriad ways and in contrast to the more well known Gimp, it is 16bit clean.

So calibrate/profile your screen, tell AS and Krita (or FilmGimp) about it and get your files as close as possible with AS, then generate 16bit ProPhoto TIFFs from it, and mangle them further in a pixel editor.
I am not sure whether Krita supports soft proofing though (don't really use it myself), so you might need to send a TIFF to AS again for that.

cheers
afx

[Dutchmm]

Just to add one thing to what AFX has said: some (imho, the better) photo printing sites will let you download their printer profile, or to calibrate your monitor against it. The soft proofing in ASP then allows you to get as close as possible to the printed result.

HTH

[baldrick777]

Thanks so much for your help guys!!

Installing Krita as I type.

AFX: ProPhoto/16bits... is this a separate program, or a setting within Krita? Or is it part of ImageMagick?

Dutchmm: I've been following this process, but getting the profile seems a slow road atm.

[afx]

ProPhoto is a color profile/working space.
You might want to follow the sRGB link in my signature.

cheers
afx

[baldrick777]

ProPhoto is a color profile/working space.
You might want to follow the sRGB link in my signature.

cheers
afx

Thanks again AFX, those links helped me further understand my dilemma better. It's been a real trial trying to work this one out pretty much on my own. Yes, i've had 'help' from other photographer friends who are windows users, whose best solution is photoshop or a derivative, then can't understand why it won't work on Linux.

I have a few other questions regarding setting up ASP2 along with fine tuning Krita. Would you be able to help me out with these? I could add them to this thread, someone else might also benefit too. If that's Ok I'll post them either tomorrow or Friday nitnight.

Thanks again!

[afx]

Just ask

cheers
afx

[baldrick777]

With regard to colour profiles & calibration...

[*]I used dispalGUI to calibrate my monitor with a Spyder4 loaned to me by a friend. I have two profiles, one (whose name aludes me) which was set as my system wide profile, the other was sRGB set as my user profile. How can I change the two around? I'm picking it's probably better to have the sRGB profile as system?
[*]When I was creating my profiles, dispalGUI requested I physically alter the RGB settings in my monitor so that they lined up with their calibrated model. Now that the monitor has been calibrated, can I reset my monitors RGB values back to default, or should I just leave them as they are?

Aftershot Pro/Krita set-up...

[*]Did I understand you correctly when I thought you said that ASP2 automatically saves TIFFs as ProPhoto? If I got that wrong, can I get it to do so, and how? The 16bit part I'm ok with.

When I've made changes and hand off to Krita...

[*]Should I have already configured Krita (settings/preferences/Color management/...

default color model for new images 'RGB (16-bit interger/channel)';
Display/monitor profile 'ProPhoto RGB';
Display/rendering intent 'perceptual' (default);

Should I change any other settings under Colour Management, or leave them as defaults?

Are there any other changes I should make in either program?
Any other tips or suggestions with regard to setting things up?

Some of these things may appear obvious, but this has been going on quite a long time, and I just want to make sure I get things right.

Thanks again!