Zooming Issue. Please Please Please Fix!

[random667]

The issue is not being able to zoom into corners, and not being able to navigate around an image using the scroll wheel and cursor position only. This all worked until X4.

It is a huge hassle to have to stop what I'm doing and use the scroll bars.
I keep checking each new version to see if this has been fixed but it still hasn't.
I will not upgrade until this is fixed!

[hartpaul]

I complained about that long ago as well, and that is still why I use X2 for most image processing. With clone or paintbrush tool I can mouse zoom in right to the top left cornr x:0 y:0 while with X7 my limit is x:140 y:205.

A workaround that saves using both scroll bars is to press the space bar and the cursor changes to the pan tool and you can drag the enlarged screen so that x:0 y:0 is visible and then zoom in there and perhaps drag again to get to the final spot.
It is only a small thing, but when processing tp remove a camera spot on 1000 s of images having to drag on scroll bar and then the other can increase the time a lot. It worked in X2 and X3 and very well in PSP8, but seems to have been dropped with "improved" versions.

[mwenz]

Did this change with X7? I chose not to upgrade.

In X6, my scroll wheel zooms in/out at the mouse pointer position.

[Ken Berry]

I must be totally misunderstanding what you are talking about or else am seeing something strange on my computer. But I just opened X7, admittedly just updated with SP1, and opened an image in Edit mode (set by default). I set my cursor to the top selection (Pan tool) which shows a hand as the cursor. However, if I choose the one under it, the Pick tool, the result is the same. I move the cursor --whether hand or cross hair -- to somewhere on the image and roll the scrolling wheel forward on my mouse and it immediately zooms in on the point under the cursor, and keeps zooming till I stop rolling, which is fixed at 5000%. I roll it back and the cursor rolls back from the same position, even down to 1% in size. And the same thing happens, regardless of where I place the cursor, with the zoom being on the point wherever the cursor is located on screen...

Definitely no special tweaking of anything, let alone the bog standard HP mouse I am using...

So is this what you are talking about? Or am I going to be totally embarrassed? Or is this the result of SP1? (I find it interesting to see that mwenz apparently had a result similar to mine, though with less detail, in X6...)

[hartpaul]

Hi Ken,
In all version after X3, you cannot use the mouse zoom in function to zoom right into the top corner to say clone or paint at position x: 0 y:0. The zoom in tries to follow the position of the cursor which enables you to zoom in to a position so long as that position is in an area centrally placed which has margins left and right of approx 140 and vertically of approx 200.
In X2 / X3 and earlier versions, you could use the mouse wheel alone and by zooming in and out and moving the cursor could finish up with x:0 y: 0 visible on the screen (in top left).

[Joelle]

Why in the world do we not have the option to zoom in and out to the mouse cursor position with the scroll wheel the way it was in X3?
It is a huge hassle to have to stop what I'm doing and use the scroll bars.
I keep checking each new version to see if this has been fixed but it still hasn't.
I will not upgrade until this is fixed!

I have no problem with zooming in PSPX6 or X7
I hit A for the Pan Tool, put the cursor over where I want to zoom in and scroll the mousewheel
If I want to move to another part of the image without zooming out again, I hit the Spacebar and drag on the image left or right, so don't need to use the tiny scroll bars.

Not a problem at all

Joëlle

[Ken Berry]

hartpaul -- Thanks for the explanation, but I must not understand it fully. That is because I can place the cursor -- in this case the Pick Tool as it shows the x:0 y:0 precisely -- in the top left corner of an image. I scroll the wheel on my mouse, and it zooms in or out on that point with no trouble. The same happens when I use, say, the Paint Brush or other cursor.

[random667]

In X7 at least, I am unable to scroll zoom into any corners or edges, and no matter where I point at in the image and scroll in the image will zoom in around the center of the image until the image fills the entire workspace then it will will begin to follow the mouse.
And zooming out doesn't seem to follow the mouse at all in any version after X3.

In X3 when I zoom way in for doing fine corrections, if I want to move the image over to the left I can move my mouse to the right side of the image and zoom in and out and the image will move to the left, if i want to move the image up I can move m mouse near the bottom edge and scroll in and out to shift the image up, and so on, The image shifts around depending on where the mouse is when I zoom in or out, this doesn't work in any version after X3.
This is so much easier than using the pan tool or space bar or any of these other "tricks"

[Ken Berry]

Random667: And as Joelle and I have pointed out, we can do all those things in X7 and X6. But why we can and others can't remains the mystery! Moreover, it clearly isn't just an OS thing since Joelle, like you, is running PSP on Win 7 and I am doing so on Win 8.1...

Have you updated your X7 with SP1?

[random667]

I am actually having this issue on windows xp.
Just installing the update now.
I'll try it on my home computer(win7) tonight and see if there is any difference.

[random667]

ok, just installed the sp1.
No difference, it doesn't zoom into where the mouse is pointing until the image reaches the edges of the workspace.

And after some testing, zooming out seems to move the image in the opposite direction than expected.
In x3 while zoomed in on an image when I place my mouse towards the right side of the image and zoom in and out the image will shift to the left, if I place my mouse towards the left side it will move to the right, same for up and down. This makes it easy to navigate around an image just using the scroll wheel, just point to the direction you want to go and scroll in and out.
In versions after x3 when i want to navigate to the right side of an image using the scroll wheel i have to move my mouse to the left side of the workspace and zoom out a notch, then move it to the right side and zoom in a notch, and so on, back and forth.

I'll try it on win7 later and see if its any different

[brucet]

Simple test. Open a photo. With the paint brush or similar paint the extreme top left corner. (0,0). Then using whatever method scroll in and out and see if your corner is actually staying on screen.
I painted the corner. Zoomed to 10%. Then left clicked as close as possible to 0,0. What happens? In my case it zoomed not into 0,0 but the center of the photo. I think this is what is being discussed. Even when zoom into 100%. Drag the corner to somewhere on the screen. Click on the coloured corner. Now what happens? In my case the corner eventually disappears off the the top left somewhere. If i paint a dot in the very center. Click on in and scroll in no worries. But any other location and PSP seems to wander off in some direction neither in the corner or the center. I always have to left click, hold and drag to get my screen/photo where I need it. Bug? But annoying.

Ken your method works 'unless' you are targeting a corner or edge location.

regards

[hartpaul]

Thanks for your input Ken but why did you insist on using the Pick tool when I specified the problem was with the Clone and Paintbrush tool (and probably any other tool that uses the brushes).

I tried the Pick tool as you had said and was able to zoom to a position where my Pick cursor was in the top left position of 0,0 but only in Tabbed documents mode, got very close 4,8 in windowed mode which I almost exclusively use as I can tile images on the workspace and switch easily to one of 10 scaled down images and zoom them in quickly.
In Tabbed documents if I have 10 documents I cannot see which image I am looking for til I click on that tab. (I prefer not to use the Organiser with its thumbs as I need all the space I can get.

But re our problem as I suggested switch to the paintbrush tool: size 1, opacity 100 and foreground color a bright red. Now using only the zoom control and in windowed mode zoom in to upper left and scale to 5000% and try to paint a dot/ square at 0,0. This was possible in X3 backwards but in more recent versions have lost that ability. My image was 2000 x 1333 pixels
Have repeated this a number of times and by a lot of zooming in and out got as close as 2,0.
These may illustrate the problem:
01. Zoomed out to see whole image (50%) then zoomed in with cursor near top left position (5000%), with a quick zoom part out and then zoom in painted a square in top left corner of image


02. By repeating painting dots : - zoom out, move cursor between margins and last dot managed to get a lot closer but not quite 0,0. This shows best attempt - each dot a result of zoom in to upper left cursor, zoom out a little, move cursor closer to margin zoom in and if better than last attempt paint a dot. As you can see I never got 0,0 and it was not a simple zoom in once or twice as in Pre X3 versions. In X2 I can zoom the brush right into 0,0 no extra zooming required.


03. This shows the dots I had to paint before I got my best as I worked my way into the corner.

[Ken Berry]

OK, I see what you mean if you start off with the Paintbrush. But if you start of with the Pick tool, zoom up to 5000% aiming at the top corner, and then select the Paintbrush, you can insert the dot at 0,0... Alright, that's one extra keystroke to move from Pick to Paintbrush, but less hassle than using scroll bars... Plus, I guess, I tend to always start off with the Pick tool, before selecting something else...

[brucet]

Ken I tried your 'Pick tool' method. Same result. Gets near the corner but not the 0,0. Pick Tool. Click as near as possible to the corner. Scroll in with the mouse wheel. Misses the corner but ---- much.
????
Beats me. I'll keep the near enough and drag method.

regards